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Re: How to find work?

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Thanks for all your input, but I think the most useful information has already been disseminated.
Yes... that you're fresh out of school, don't want to flip burgers and feel entitled to a job in a country you've never been to.
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Old 06.05.2009, 17:27
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Yes... that you're fresh out of school, don't want to flip burgers and feel entitled to a job in a country you've never been to.
where you don't speak any of the local languages.
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Old 06.05.2009, 17:38
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He'll fit right in down at RAV with all the 3000 other bankers ;-)


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Old 06.05.2009, 17:41
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Re: How to find work?

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Shucks, except for the "feel entitled" bit, that was me when I got here. Oh, and the "fresh out of school" bit, I suppose - but anyway... yeah, I didn't want to flip burgers any more than the next gal. (Still don't, in fact.) If you're set on getting here though, and if that kind of job can be your ticket over...

Nothing wrong with wanting to move here, for any reason or no reason. Go for it! If it isn't for you, you'll find that out soon enough, and you'll still be young enough to make your way to somewhere better. Living abroad - earning a living abroad - is an experience worth having in any case.

And kebabs don't take much flipping, so you're in luck as far as that goes.
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He'll fit right in down at RAV with all the 3000 other bankers ;-)
is that a typo, tilia?
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Haha, I hardly have an utopia burnt into my head with blind ambition. I have nothing more than a desire to work an entry level job in a country I like, I did not indeed know it was a fantasy to work somewhere were traditionally my services would be required. Lets not play psychiatrist like you really know my motives and dreams in one blurb I tell you about some reasons I want to move to CH.

Thanks for all your input, but I think the most useful information has already been disseminated.
Did they teach you any people skills at your business school?
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Shucks, except for the "feel entitled" bit, that was me when I got here. Oh, and the "fresh out of school" bit, I suppose - but anyway... yeah, I didn't want to flip burgers any more than the next gal. (Still don't, in fact.) If you're set on getting here though, and if that kind of job can be your ticket over...

Nothing wrong with wanting to move here, for any reason or no reason. Go for it! If it isn't for you, you'll find that out soon enough, and you'll still be young enough to make your way to somewhere better. Living abroad - earning a living abroad - is an experience worth having in any case.

And kebabs don't take much flipping, so you're in luck as far as that goes.

Totally agree he should go for it but also realize that a business education from a US school is not a golden ticket to a job. It takes hard work and patience to get a job, especially now days.

You should try to live your dreams as you only live once unless you are reincarnated.
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Old 06.05.2009, 17:48
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Haha, I hardly have an utopia burnt into my head with blind ambition. I have nothing more than a desire to work an entry level job in a country I like, I did not indeed know it was a fantasy to work somewhere were traditionally my services would be required. Lets not play psychiatrist like you really know my motives and dreams in one blurb I tell you about some reasons I want to move to CH.

Thanks for all your input, but I think the most useful information has already been disseminated.
I can tell you are swiss/american
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Re: How to find work?

I'm not a psychiatrist, I just read your posts. But it's the kind of attitude one would naturally expect from an banker wannabe. I think Goldman Sachs would love to take you up!

And I quote.....

"I have a deep belief in the structure of the Swiss government, taxation and societal demeanor...work in arguably the best and most established country in the world in regards to Financial industry (My true passion)"

"I have a huge amount of Swiss blood, my grandfather moved here...I have a deep desire to live and work in Switzerland"

"I just feel like breaking into this area is unreasonably difficult...The country has its ways and customs, but flatly basing your hiring around being Swiss or EU seems unjust."

"I am at the point where it has me demoralized and doubting the efforts with ever pay dividends."

"My time frame is whenever, the sooner the better."

"And to local living in the states is not where I want to be...I'd rather start assimilating into the culture as soon as possible and building my career and life from a place I'd rather be."

The kicker is:

"I have been nearby but not CH"

Never been here but can't wait for another second to get here and work in finance and finance only. So, what's your dream again? Don't want to read into anything like a psychiatrist you know...

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Haha, I hardly have an utopia burnt into my head with blind ambition. I have nothing more than a desire to work an entry level job in a country I like, I did not indeed know it was a fantasy to work somewhere were traditionally my services would be required. Lets not play psychiatrist like you really know my motives and dreams in one blurb I tell you about some reasons I want to move to CH.

Thanks for all your input, but I think the most useful information has already been disseminated.

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So, what's your dream again?
this perhaps:

http://nymag.com/news/business/55687/
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Greetings,
I am a college senior (nearly graduated) in business school (Finance degree) that soon needs to find a job. I was hoping some of the English speaking expats could advise me on how to land a job in Switzerland? I have encountered huge resistance regardless of my qualifications since I am American.
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Thanks for all your input, but I think the most useful information has already been disseminated.
Not quite all the useful information. You perhaps need to consider something else.

Have you considered that its nothing to do with the fact that you are entry level or American?

If you have the same attitude with potential recruiters and employers, I wish you luck in your job search.
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Re: How to find work?

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I'm not a psychiatrist, I just read your posts. But it's the kind of attitude one would naturally expect from an banker wannabe. I think Goldman Sachs would love to take you up!

And I quote.....

"I have a deep belief in the structure of the Swiss government, taxation and societal demeanor...work in arguably the best and most established country in the world in regards to Financial industry (My true passion)"

"I have a huge amount of Swiss blood, my grandfather moved here...I have a deep desire to live and work in Switzerland"

"I just feel like breaking into this area is unreasonably difficult...The country has its ways and customs, but flatly basing your hiring around being Swiss or EU seems unjust."

"I am at the point where it has me demoralized and doubting the efforts with ever pay dividends."

"My time frame is whenever, the sooner the better."

"And to local living in the states is not where I want to be...I'd rather start assimilating into the culture as soon as possible and building my career and life from a place I'd rather be."

The kicker is:

"I have been nearby but not CH"

Never been here but can't wait for another second to get here and work in finance and finance only. So, what's your dream again? Don't want to read into anything like a psychiatrist you know...

I enjoy the overused and never uttered (On my end)word of entitled. I have never expected nor thought I was entitled to work/live in CH. But it has been funny to see you through it around with reckless abandon.

My goal was simply to come here to ask people already working in the country if I could get some information on making it happen. I was just flabbergasted that the rules for employment were so difficult for non-EU/CH citizens, and looked for clarity from the existing expats - nothing more.

I forgot, I have no right to have a desire to live for a couple of years in a country that I would like to explore, gain some valuable industry knowledge and hopefully explore a little bit of the neighboring countries of Europe down the road. I should just work at McDonald's and be thankful I live in the US, I know I know.
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Old 08.05.2009, 16:17
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Re: How to find work?

Then, how about updating your profile to show your true location?
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Old 08.05.2009, 16:20
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I was just flabbergasted that the rules for employment were so difficult for non-EU/CH citizens, and looked for clarity from the existing expats - nothing more.
For what it's worth, they're roughly comparable to the rules for non-US citizens seeking employment in the US.
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My goal was simply to come here to ask people already working in the country if I could get some information on making it happen. I was just flabbergasted that the rules for employment were so difficult for non-EU/CH citizens, and looked for clarity from the existing expats - nothing more.
I think you were given at least a reasonable amount of clarity.
You were told it was not going to be an easy thing.

I think what you really wanted was someone to tell you - here is a way you can get around all those pesky rules.
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Re: How to find work?

It's a free world and you can do what you want. You asked for advice and about working in Switzerland, people gave you some ideas about how to go about it. All I said and many here too was that now is a rather difficult time due to the problems in the industry and Swiss work permit laws being the way it is, means your chances of access is greatly reduced in the current climate. Perhaps it'd be better to work locally now in the US and then move here once things settle down armed with some experience.

Then you gave people lip because it's not what you wanted to hear. I never said you should forget about working in finance and go work at McDonalds but that you've got this "I want it and I want it now and don't tell me otherwise..." attitude

If you're really looking for a magic pass on how to get to Switzerland, there isn't one. If you think you can do better then the advice so far given, then go do it.

It's the patronizing attitude that sucks, not the desired to come and work here.

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I enjoy the overused and never uttered (On my end)word of entitled. I have never expected nor thought I was entitled to work/live in CH. But it has been funny to see you through it around with reckless abandon.

My goal was simply to come here to ask people already working in the country if I could get some information on making it happen. I was just flabbergasted that the rules for employment were so difficult for non-EU/CH citizens, and looked for clarity from the existing expats - nothing more.

I forgot, I have no right to have a desire to live for a couple of years in a country that I would like to explore, gain some valuable industry knowledge and hopefully explore a little bit of the neighboring countries of Europe down the road. I should just work at McDonald's and be thankful I live in the US, I know I know.
Wow,

Lighten up, nobody told you to stay in the US or work at MacDonalds.

What people are saying to you is, that at this time it is a pretty tall order to get a graduate position in an investment bank in a country that you have never been to, don't have a work permit for, or don't speak the language.

That is the general consensus, take it or leave it.

If you cannot deal with the answer don't ask the question.
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Re: How to find work?

Hello everybody,

I am a graduated student in the field of international relations. I would like to find an internship in Switzerland for a year. Can someone help me where (which webpage, which company, ...) to find internship offers in Switzerland? I was looking for information on internet but I didn't find too much opportunities. I guess I wasn't on the good pages...

Thanks for any help!!!
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Re: How to find work?

I want to find a job in switzerland but I have my own requirements.
So I do not want to use job agencies.
Is it a good practise to mail my cv directly to companies I am interested in, eventhough this is maybe a more time-consuming task?
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Unsolicited applications are common, even more for specialists, I guess. It's also more time-consuming because you have to elaborate more how a company caught your eye and ad a good letter of motivation.
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