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Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelier?

Greetings All,

I'm in a bit of a fix and need some help and advice.

I moved to Zürich 3 months ago and am having an incredibly tough time finding employment.

I am an Hotelier by trade with a BSc in Hospitality Management. My last position was General Manager of a wonderful Resort off the Indian Ocean. During my tenure, the Hotel won 2 Continental awards, Best Hotel and Customer Excellence. I am good at my profession.

I moved to Zürich because my wife is from here, she is Swiss, and wanted to come back home. Perhaps not the best time to give up an excellent position and move overseas, but love does make us do crazy things, does it not ?

As I was well aware that fluency in German was imperative to finding a decent hospitality position, I plunged myself into an intensive Deutsch course, 4 hours a day, 5 days a week for the past 3 months. I speak the language quite a bit and understand even more. But naturally, one cannot become fluent in a foreign language in only 3 months. At least I can't and I'm good at languages, I speak 5.

Money is extremely tight and I can't afford to keep attending language school. Since I have never worked in CH before, I am not entitled to any unemployment, rightfully so.

I am ready to drop my expectations and take almost any back office job simply to keep me going financially while I hope to better my German through client and colleague contact on the job.

Perhaps I'm not looking at the right job sites or in the right places. I am desperatley seeking a position, desperately. I would truly appreciate any help on your behalf.

There are quite a few of us English speakers out here who prefer to converse in English when we frequent bars, restaurants and hotels, when we are the clients. Could you advise me which establishements would hire me based on English as a mother tongue, basic Deutsch, good French and a BSc in Hospitality Management.

Many Many thanks for your time.
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Old 08.06.2009, 11:27
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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

Have you considered relocating to one of the French speaking Cantons? Even if you have to commute during the week.
There are quite a few Hotel schools in Vaud and Valais region that are often advertising jobs for someone with your background and experience. Their working language is normally English with some French required.
Could be an option, especially if you can already speak French.

Good luck.
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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

Hi Zimmo,

Thanks for your advice.

I have already applied to a few hotel schools in the French part, including the school that I graduated from, Les Roches. Waiting on responses.

If I do get a position in Valais or Vaud, I would have to live away from my wife and probably see her only on weekends, but I am prepared to do that as I understand how grave the situation is. It will be tough, especially as we're newly weds!
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I think you are going to find it tough because most people in the hotel and catering business here, especially in management, can speak at least a couple of local languages as a norm.

I would try and get yourself on an intensive language course (French or German depending on where you choose) to up your chances.
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Old 08.06.2009, 11:51
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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

Have you tried to airport hotels?? They may well take you but I'm not from the industry so I really don't know. Good luck

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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

Thanks Sandgrounder, I have been attending an Intensive Deutsch course for the past 3 months. Eventhough I have learnt A LOT, it's still not anywhere near what the employers require. Money is a bit tight, so I can't continue the education. I study at home now and practise on my mother in law!

Hi Lynn, super Idea. I did send my CV out to all the Airport hotels already and even met a few people who work in them ... they still require Deutsch!

I would just love ot get a position that requires more as much English as German so that I can get by and slowly learn the language.
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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

Have you looked at

www.hoteljob-schweiz.de?
(website is also in French)

I'd also suggest looking in places where there are a lot of English-speakers who travel through - Luzern is a popular destination, for example. You might also need to think about applying for a position that is *below* your level of qualification abroad and then working your way up. That way you'll be over-qualified for the position, which can be a good thing...

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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

Have you looked around the Thun, Bern and Interlaken areas? I see alot of positions being advertised in those areas, though I can't German wouldn't be required but its worth a look
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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

jbendix & sabs, thank you for your suggestions. I have checked both and would need decent German for both.

I have accepted the fact that I will not get a General Manager's position right away, but am happy to start below and work my way up again. How far am I willing to go is the question? A waiter's position is unfortunately not what I would be ready to accept as I have worked so hard my entire life, putting in 20 hour work days for years on end to get to where I am and can't go through that again.

I am willing to work in any position in any industry in any City in and around Zürich: Luzern, Bern, Baden, Winterthur, etc... Any position in Any Industry. Please, do contact me should any of you have anything available.

I am extremely loyal, dedicated, committed, a very fast learner and am sure to be an asset to any company. All I need is the chance to prove myself.

Thank you all.
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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

Try Marriott hotel, Zurich. It's an American hotel
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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

How about using your transferable skills in management into another area of hospitality & leisure. Something like the fitness clubs.

They are not too dissimilar in focus and you could use your management skills. From what I can discern, good managers are hard to find in this sector. I have known a few that don't even have the second language (only English for example) and were not particularly good - in short, I dont think the barriers to entry would be too high.

I think you would just need to lever what you already have. This could be your interim solution. There are many overlaps, for example organising events, evenings, dealing with clients etc. I'm sure it would suit you and your skills (seems you have quite enough talent to me - you are very articulate). This would keep you within striking distance of your main target. In fact, there is a lot of contact with the hotel industry through the fitness industry and it might open up later opportunities.

As a longer term plan, there is a lack of hotels/b&bs/accomodation etc that appeal predominantly to the UK market in some areas. I always thought that somewhere like Scuol in Graubunden could be marketed to the English as an undiscovered and unspoilt idea of heaven. Nature/activities etc. But that is my idea. So hands off ;-) Better wait a few years till tourism creeps back up though.
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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

Hello,
I have been in that same boat for almost 2 years now. But you seem to have better german skills then I. If you go to the local RAV office, and I think it's www.rav.ch they have english as a link there, they will list jobs in your area. They also, if you go in, fill out the yellow forms, some one provided it in the site in english, and get signed up with them, they will actively make a job search for you. But furthermore, they can apply on your behalf for intensive, free, german classes. Not everyone gets it, but some do. Also, if your wife got a job with a decent sized company, they often will offer spouses some german courses to help you integrate.
One sight www.gastro-express.ch is a good site to find jobs. They will list what possible languages you can speak as well. Often times Italian, French, and Spanish come up. Even once in a blue moon english too. www.rollingpin.ch is a good site too. www.ronorp.net is interesting.
In Rapperswill there are two Tapas style restaurants where they need cooks who speak Spanish. The restaurant at the plaza, below the steps to the church, the chef, he speaks English and portugese, and is very friendly/helpful. There is a Canadian Chef in Adilswil, who runs a catering company, who seems to know everyone in Switzerland, if you pm me, I can pass you his number. I worked with him on a job once, and he had outsourced like 40 english speaking cooks for that event. I don't think he's looking for anyone, but he might know some one who is. There is a place near, I can't remember the name of the village, but it's out in the sticks and near Baden, about 10 or 15 kilometers. The Chef speaks french, and is very old school. No pre made sauces kind of gig. I can look it up if your're interested, but I think he's listed thru the gastro-express site. I hope that helps.
The thing is, there is work for german speaking cooks in the north of Switzerland, especially in more "cosmopolitan" chuckle, areas. Zurich, Baden, Lachen, Rapperswill, Basel. The thing is you have to look a little closer at the ads. When they say they want muttersprachen, I hate to say this, but based on personal experience I think it's laced with a little racism.
ALSO, it appears that about 10 or so years ago, they started hiring alot of Sri Lanken, and cooks from the part of the world. They hired foreigners before, but hiring workers from there, they got them cheaper. But, it looks like they haven't had the greatest experience with the majority of them. Because it looks like alot of people, atleast in the hotellerie et restauration sector, said they knew how to cook, just to get any job, and did not. And employers took them at their word. So it's to weed out people who don't have the experience or the rosti firing thru their veins. As all Chefs in Switzerland and thoroughly trained. I guess. It doesn't make them better that's for sure. But I have heard alot of employers make "racist" comments about Sri Lankens. So, if you are Sri Lanken, good luck to ya'.
Whatever you race, if you have the qualifications, the documents, oh they lover letters here, SAVE EVERYTHING, and the basic kitchen language skills, then you will do ok.
Remember also there are alot of American and international companies here that are often hiring for their company's cafteria(sorry Chef). Google every couple months is looking for a chef there.
Well good luck and if you have any other questions feel free to ask or pm me.
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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

Susannah, thanks for the suggestion. Already sent them my details. But they also require fluent German.

Breezy, you're a star. Thanks for the kind comments. The fitness industry would definitely be interesting for me. I am also a sporty guy, played squash for my country at junior level, mountain bike often, was a navigator in car rallies back home and went to the gym quite a bit until I popped both my shoulders ... OUCH! I'm sorry to bother you, but could you direct me to a person or website that does recruiting for Fitness clubs? I am a people person and would love to work in this business.

Confloozed, thanks a ton for the great info. Very helpful. I will definitely pm you for the gentleman's number. I haven't chef'd in many years since I have been in managers positions, but it would be interesting to see what would be available.

Sad to hear about Sri Lankans. I am not Sri Lankan. I know this is how people here think of them. Thanks for saying it like it is. It's pretty harsh of people to generalize on an entire nationality of people. I know many Sri Lankans from back home who are in the Tea business and are extremely nice, happy and very successful people. I just think it's the type of people that have come accross, i.e. the class. No matter what nationality people are, you get underachievers and underperformers of every race, creed and culture. I know many lazy slobs who are from my culture.

I am still hunting for jobs, often spending 6 to 7 hours a day on job websites. Recently got an interview for a Sales position in a law firm. The first interview went very well, at least I would like to think so. Sold myself as best I could. Hoping to get an invite for 2nd interview as I really feel it could turn out into a successful career. Meanwhile, many thanks for the suggestions. Keep'em coming!

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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

Me Myself & I, did you find a job in the end?

This thread interests me a lot because I am in the process of studying for a BSc in Hospitality Management in England. My thoughts are that once I finish I’ll gain some more experience within the industry and get a full time job, and then once I’ve got enough money put aside, head out to Switzerland to a language school for around a year whilst searching for a job within the industry out there.

I’d very much like to hear about your experiences so far because I’ll most likely be in the same situation in a few years time...

Also having looked out of my own curiosity this site has lots of jobs listed across Switzerland for all different kinds of Hospitality roles.

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Also having looked out of my own curiosity this site has lots of jobs listed across Switzerland for all different kinds of Hospitality roles.
I have trying for jobs.
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[QUOTE=Me Myself & I;471206]Greetings All,

I am ready to drop my expectations and take almost any back office job simply to keep me going financially while I hope to better my German through client and colleague contact on the job.


Hi there, that's a dream that I had but you better know it, here, they want you to have a high level of German. Nothing under.
Now, working on the French side if your other half is here and you are newly wed, hummm, it won't work unless you signed for an open mariage.
Good luck!
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Re: Enough English speaking guests to justify Employment for English speaking Hotelie

Hmm, people are no better at reading basic information such as DATES of postings. Especially those wanting to punt their own links.....
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We can't kick new members for not searching to see if their topic was already covered AND then criticise them for digging up old threads
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