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Hi there, we are family of 4 (hubby, myself, 4y.o. and a newborn). Husband has been offered perm job in Zurich.

Offer is CHF 130,000 plus lump sum for relocation. I wonder if someone can tell me if this is descent money for the 1st year while I am not working? we will need to pay rent accomodation, prob car, food etc, kindergarten..

also how much money we would expect to get for relocation from the UK?

thank you very much.
I think the salary is not an issue, BUT if you want to live close to Zürich, you are going to pay for this by paying more rent for less space. If your hubby doesn't mind a commute, if you see yourself living outside of Zürich, this could make a big difference in the amount of rent you pay and what kind of place you live in. Rent is going to be your biggest monthly expense. I have found housing families with 4.5 room apartments with rents of 1,600 per month...but a family can also found a house for 2,800 per month (these examples are the Baden area). So the first thing is to decide how and where you want to live. It's a lifestyle question.

The job market is tough and daycare is costly and limited. Not sure what kind of job you are looking for but it could be a long search. So I would budget on the salary on offer...don't push the rent budget by counting on a second salary.

Relocation packages vary greatly. This has been discussed in other threads. Many employers have a standard package based on the country you are moving from. Few employers are willing to negotiate the package but it doesn't hurt to try. But you have to do this before you accept the position, not after. If you are bringing all your furniture, try to get a moving quote, even a ballpark figure for starters.

Some companies set a budget and you use the money as you see fit so it may have to cover your travel here, shipping personal effects, housing search assistance, etc etc. Keep in mind there are tax implications on this money. Also, logic doesn't always prevail. For example, some employers offer one month's accommodation in a furnished apartment or hotel. This costs a small fortune. With most of the families I work with, they move into permanent housing right away so we negotiate this money for temp housing to be applied to something else. This can really help a lot.

Salary and lifestyle are connected. Two families can have the same salary and at the end of the month, they have vary different amounts left over. It is nice to have something left over for having some fun, like travel.

Good luck with your plans.
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Re: Job offer - Your Feedback Please

rent should be around 25-30% of your monthly salary. ask your employer to assist in finding accomadations ( the HR dep't usually has good contacts for this sort of thing) as far as removals are concerned, check out Luker Bros in oxford. they have a weekly schedule to switzerland. i've used them twice. best offer and excellent service.
if you want to get a feel for food pricing, go to the online shop ( le-shop.com)
you can select english and see what it would cost for a shopping basket. you can even order on line and they will deliver to your door the next morning. this could be handy in the early days, if you don't have a car.
i've lived here 40 yrs :-) so, just ask if you have any questions, i most likely know the ropes etc.
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CHF800 is kinda low for a family, unless you exclude wine and meat.


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I would also agree that 800.- for food for a family of 4 is extremely conservative. We have 2 girls (11 and 10) and we put aside 2000.- per month for all household expenses including groceries and petrol. Seems to work out about right.
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Re: Job offer - Your Feedback Please

Hello everyone and thanks to all for all the information.
What a friendly bunch of people you are!

After reading all posts, advice and suggestions here are my thoughts. It seems that it's better to save money and possibly find accomodation somewhere less expensive than Seefeld.I'd need to post at Housing section and ask for advice. My 4 yeal old is very social little man, so i need parks, playgrounds, Tots, playgroups and english speaking kids around.

Thanks for tip about Luker bros, I am going to phone them later today.

One of you mentioned bulk shopping in france or Germany, do you rent a car just for w-end?

As for money question it seems we can manage. Quality of life for my children is priority. we have nice life in Glasgow but it is time to move (we are not british).
Last christmas we went to Zurich just for a week and it was lovely. I am so excited already! (but job is not confirmed yet.. so fingers crossed)
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One of you mentioned bulk shopping in france or Germany, do you rent a car just for w-end?
Yes -- you can rent them by the hour at www.mobility.ch
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Hello everyone and thanks to all for all the information.
What a friendly bunch of people you are!

After reading all posts, advice and suggestions here are my thoughts. It seems that it's better to save money and possibly find accomodation somewhere less expensive than Seefeld.I'd need to post at Housing section and ask for advice. My 4 yeal old is very social little man, so i need parks, playgrounds, Tots, playgroups and english speaking kids around.

Thanks for tip about Luker bros, I am going to phone them later today.

One of you mentioned bulk shopping in france or Germany, do you rent a car just for w-end?

As for money question it seems we can manage. Quality of life for my children is priority. we have nice life in Glasgow but it is time to move (we are not british).
Last christmas we went to Zurich just for a week and it was lovely. I am so excited already! (but job is not confirmed yet.. so fingers crossed)
There is an outfit called Mobility that rents cars by the hour & you can also drive into France & Germany - it is a sort of car sharing scheme.
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http://www.mobility.ch/pages/index.c...ub=731&id=2239
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Offer is CHF 130,000 plus lump sum for relocation. I wonder if someone can tell me if this is descent money for the 1st year while I am not working? we will need to pay rent accomodation, prob car, food etc, kindergarten..
My 2 cents worth:

Yes, you can survive on 130K.

As some-else put it: compare to the average income

You'll be getting about 2.17x the avg income in Switzerland (CH avg income = 60K CHF pa)
What do you get in th UK at the moment?

Avg income in the UK is 30,000 GBP, which is 49,500 CHF at todays rates
(http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=334)

Work backwards: 30K GBP x 2.17 = 65K GBP

So if you are on around 65K GBP at the mo, then the 130K CHF is a very approx comparison

PS: looking at the Swiss stats office, it shows UK and CH as having near identical average gross annual wages!


Try also using the famous Big Mac Index to compare cost of living:
Big Mac UK = 1,99 GBP = 3.28 CHF
Big Mac CH = 6.30 CHF

Therefore CH cost of living is 6.30/3.28 = 1.92 or darn near 2x that of the UK


DISCLAIMER: I'm not an expert and the above comparision is done using my own method of comparing worldwide incomes.
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As you can see from the pseudonym, we live just over the border from St. Gingles [11 kms actually] in France. The car park of our local supermarket is full every single day [Sunday mornings included] with cars of the VD, GE, FR, ilk and even sometimes those from ZH, SG, obviously en route back home.
 

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