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Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

so my friend has been told that because he has a 1 year renewable B permit that he is not entitled to receive unemployment benefit. They said he need to have a 5 year B permit but they won't give him one because he is not an EU citizen.

He is extremely angry at the considering he has been paying AHV Tax etc.. in excess of 400CHF a week for the last 3 years only to find out he is not entitled to the benefits of this when he needs it the most.

Can someone tell me if this is correct. Can you only receive Unemployment benefit on a 5-year B permit and not on a 1 year. He does have the required 12 months in 24 months AHV contributions, this seems extremely unfair system if the above is the case
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

Doesn't sound correct. If he has paid for 12 months in the last 24 then he is entitled. Before the Schengen agreement all B permits were issued on an annual basis;
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Old 07.10.2009, 21:57
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

its got nothing to do with the type of B permit ... and everything to do with how long he has contributed into the system... it must be at least 12 months in the last 24.
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Old 07.10.2009, 22:46
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

Tell your friend to check around. Contact the relevent unemployment office (RAV) as well as his Gemeinde if he's still uncertain.
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

It is totally correct and based on the fact that your friend is from non-EU country. Unfortunatelly it is like that. This concerns Phd's and au-pairs. Does not apply to "married with swiss". Info was given to me by phone from Amts for permits whatever it is called correctly. Welcome to the club!
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

Gosh - so would he ever be entitled to any payment from the system he is paying into?
Curious that this seems a bit off. Can he take the money out when he leaves the country - recoup the payments or is it just a payment to support the host country social system for the heck of it?

caz not working but not unemployed
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

Do not know about "ever". But rule 12/24 months does not apply anyway.
And second question: no, he cannot take any money out of social charges paid. And no, they cannot be cancelled for him to pay either.
You said it nice - looks like "it is just a payment to support the host country social system for the heck of it"
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

There is definitely something wrong here. I am also non-EU on a B permit renewable annually. I worked here starting from February 2008 and lost my job in February 2009.

But I received my unemployment benefits from the RAV without any fuss. All I had to do was meet up with a consultant at my local Arbeitsamt. Had a short chat for them to understand my situation, filled out some forms and that´s it.

On my part I had to actively make job applications and submit a complilation of the companies I have contacted monthly. There will also be a monthly meeting with the consultant at the RAV to have an update.

I was even due to get a paid German course but fortunately I found a job in July 2009.

So based on the conditions listed by the OP, they are exactly similar to mine. I don´t see any reason why he is being denied while I got mine.
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

Maybe thats because you are in different canton?
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

This really doesn't sound correct to me. Contribution time should be relevant and not type of permit. What I have heard though was that you were only entitled to get the unemployment untill your B permit expired. After that it was either get a job or leave the country.

Check with a lawyer!
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

Maybe the person in the Unemployment office is being difficult.

Everyone EU or not that I know has received unemployment benefits as long as they have paid in the last twelve months.
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

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Maybe thats because you are in different canton?
Then it really sucks if the laws differ in Kantons.
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

Hmm so i've been here for a fraction over a year now... for the first 7 months I was on a secondment and L-permit, and my wage was paid by the UK into a UK account. I've only been on a B permit and full Swiss contract for 5 months. Am I still now theoretically entitled to unemployment benefits?
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Old 14.10.2009, 19:05
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

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Then it really sucks if the laws differ in Kantons.
There is only a federal law on unemployment benefits. Maybe a particular RAV office(r) is negligently or maliciously misinterpreting the law. Then you should get help to challenge the RAV decision.
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Old 14.10.2009, 19:42
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

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This really doesn't sound correct to me. Contribution time should be relevant and not type of permit. What I have heard though was that you were only entitled to get the unemployment untill your B permit expired. After that it was either get a job or leave the country.

Check with a lawyer!
I think this is the important fact. When does his permit expire? For non-EU, obviously they wouldnt renew your B permit if you're unemployed, but you are entitled to the benefits until that date while you look for a job.
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

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This really doesn't sound correct to me. Contribution time should be relevant and not type of permit. What I have heard though was that you were only entitled to get the unemployment untill your B permit expired. After that it was either get a job or leave the country.

Check with a lawyer!
Actually some B (i.e. the ones that are yearly renewable but delivered for a maximum stay of three years) as well as all (non-EU) L permits are not eligible for unemployment (despite having paid into the system).

Having said that, if you do qualify for employment, the B permit can be renewed when it expires, the unemployment office becoming effectively your "employer". It will only be extended for as long as you're entitled to unemployment contributions though.
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

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Before the Schengen agreement all B permits were issued on an annual basis;
erm, no they weren't .
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

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There is only a federal law on unemployment benefits. Maybe a particular RAV office(r) is negligently or maliciously misinterpreting the law. Then you should get help to challenge the RAV decision.
Could you kindly give me some more facts re the payment of unemployment allowance for an EU citizen (Swiss acquired Nationality) under the EEA Treaty/ Schengen Agreement, if
he/she were to take up residence in UK, terminating her employment here,
for personal reasons?

Will the AHV Office (say Bern) at least issue a Certificate of her entitlements here, applicable during her unemployment, to UK "Job-Centre Plus" Registration.

In planning our move to reside in UK - Midlands, this will be most helpful.
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Re: Not entitled to unemployment payment on 1 year B permit!! sounds fishy..

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Could you kindly give me some more facts re the payment of unemployment allowance for an EU citizen (Swiss acquired Nationality) under the EEA Treaty/ Schengen Agreement, if
he/she were to take up residence in UK, terminating her employment here,
for personal reasons?

Will the AHV Office (say Bern) at least issue a Certificate of her entitlements here, applicable during her unemployment, to UK "Job-Centre Plus" Registration.

In planning our move to reside in UK - Midlands, this will be most helpful.
This doesn't belong in this thread, I'm sure a kind mod will move it shortly

To receive Swiss unemployment monies in the UK, you first need to have been receiving Swiss unemployment payments for a period of time (I think it is three months, but you must check that as I'm not positive now). You then need to let your Swiss RAV person know you're going to move and start up the process for the E303. Without the E303, you won't get anything.

You will then receive Swiss unemployment payments for three months in the UK, or until you find a job if you secure one in the first three months of residence.

I've gone through this procedure, it is pretty straightforward and I didn't encounter any significant problems in the UK, although it did take them over a month to begin paying my Swiss benefit.
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