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Is this salary enough to live on? [Bern, 3500/mo, 2 adults, 1 kid]

Hi, Am an Indian, got a job offer in an manufacturing comapny into finance in berne with CHF 3500 per month, with accomodation & day meal. I am married & have a son of 8 yrs studying in grade II. Pls let me know if it is feasible to accept the offer

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Hi, Am an Indian, got a job offer in an manufacturing comapny into finance in berne with CHF 3500 per month, with accomodation & day meal. I am married & have a son of 8 yrs studying in grade II. Pls let me know if it is feasible to accept the offer

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Will school fees be covered by the company?

If not, this could be tough.
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Old 19.12.2009, 13:26
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3500/month plus accommodation? You should be fine then, if the kid goes to public school - international schools are generally around 25K/year. (Will your company help pay for that? It might be something to negotiate...)
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Re: Is this salary enough to live on?

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3500 a month is just about minimum wages.... you can live on that, but just about. forget about ANY luxuries, you will have to work hard to just cover all necessities (or change your definition of necessities)...

So, possible. but not fun.
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3500 a month is just about minimum wages.... you can live on that, but just about. forget about ANY luxuries, you will have to work hard to just cover all necessities (or change your definition of necessities)...

So, possible. but not fun.
If I understood the original post correctly, the company would pay for accommodation... 3500/mo rent-free is not so bad.

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Hi, Am an Indian, got a job offer in an manufacturing comapny into finance in berne with CHF 3500 per month, with accomodation & day meal. I am married & have a son of 8 yrs studying in grade II. Pls let me know if it is feasible to accept the offer

Archie
Hi Archie, welcome to the forum *

The feasibility of this offer depends on what you are giving up in India to come here.

As for affordability, I am with Mathnut: it is entirely liveable and you can possibly save too. Really it is like in India or anywhere else: standards of life and activities vary widely, so what is life for someone can be penury for someone else.

BTW, the topic of living costs is the second hottest topic on the forum; you can search and find quadrillion tons of discussions on it!!


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Re: Is this salary enough to live on? [Bern, 3500/mo, 2 adults, 1 kid]

You said you were getting a job in the finance department. I assume you have college education and relevant work experience in your field. 3500CHF + accomodation amounts to about 5000-5500 CHF monthly (and that's if the accom. is decent).

Just to give you an idea, a manual laborer here can expect to earn that much (ok, maybe one of the luckier ones but still).

I personnally think the offer is outrageous (unless the accom. they provide is really really nice) and that someone from the local labor force would have been insulted by such an offer.

Whether you want to accept it or not depends on your situation in India, but you definitely should try to negotiate. Search the forum for info on salaries and living costs here in CH, don't try to negotiate uninformed.

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Re: Is this salary enough to live on? [Bern, 3500/mo, 2 adults, 1 kid]

The offer is low in my opinion. Check salaries for similar job profiles on www.payscale.com.
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Re: Is this salary enough to live on? [Bern, 3500/mo, 2 adults, 1 kid]

It is ok but wont get you much (the salary).

Remember coming from India - you will be used to help at home - you will not get any here. You will have to pay it for it here. (it is not cheap - I pay CHF 27.00 for 1 hour for any kind of help - cleaning, aupair, etc etc)

Life is very good here but quite expensive (dont know which part of india you come from too compare).

Anyway evaluate everything -including your child's education (It will be changed to Swiss german if you dont want to pay for it - Intl school is CHF 2200.00 a month per child atleast that is what I am paying here).

Just to say otherwise - Switzerland is a beautiful country where more or less everything works in order - but will take a bit of time to adapt or get used to it.

Do you speak any german??
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If I understood the original post correctly, the company would pay for accommodation... 3500/mo rent-free is not so bad.
Yep the fact that theyll pay for rent makes a great difference, I think
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Re: Is this salary enough to live on? [Bern, 3500/mo, 2 adults, 1 kid]

To be honest, I would be interested to know how a Swiss manufacturing company could justify getting someone to come and work here in a finance position at that level with that pay. Let's face it, this is a non-EU citizen and obviously not THAT exceptional in his field given the borderline salary.

I would be interested to know how the permit/visa application goes down in this case...
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Old 24.12.2009, 21:32
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Re: Is this salary enough to live on? [Bern, 3500/mo, 2 adults, 1 kid]

as you're coming from a low wage country, the important thing may be how much you can save during this time as the amount could stack up to a lot.

a friend of mine from romania basically retired and lives like a king after a few years of contracting in the UK.
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Re: Is this salary enough to live on? [Bern, 3500/mo, 2 adults, 1 kid]

I think the right question is how much is the OP earning right now.

If he is earning anything more than a third of what he is going to get here, there is not much point of making this move.
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Re: Is this salary enough to live on? [Bern, 3500/mo, 2 adults, 1 kid]

It is totally possible seeing accomodation is included/paid for.

I would guess it will give him a better life-style than he has had in India and his CV and future prospects with the experience (especially European) and different culture.
I would guess the real concideration has to be for the wife and child.
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Re: Is this salary enough to live on? [Bern, 3500/mo, 2 adults, 1 kid]

Hi Archie,

I'd like to second what other said here.. it's doable but borderline. If it were just you without familly, go for it. But as you have a 8 year old son who'll struggle to integrate into primary school here... you might want to consider private school which is expensive. If you are fine in India and don't absolutely need the money... don't accept it. 3500.- is almost (unofficial) minimum salary, as a manual labourer on a construction site you'd earn a good bit more. Of course, appartment is paid.. but still...
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Re: Is this salary enough to live on? [Bern, 3500/mo, 2 adults, 1 kid]

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You said you were getting a job in the finance department. I assume you have college education and relevant work experience in your field. 3500CHF + accomodation amounts to about 5000-5500 CHF monthly (and that's if the accom. is decent).

Just to give you an idea, a manual laborer here can expect to earn that much (ok, maybe one of the luckier ones but still).

I personnally think the offer is outrageous (unless the accom. they provide is really really nice) and that someone from the local labor force would have been insulted by such an offer.

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I don't know of any manual laborer that earns 5000 CHF a month or if so , he would need to be highly trained and skilled. My husband makes a thousand less (and not even that...).
Still what they are offering you is just outrageous, I quite agree. You should also inquire about health insurance. Because if you earn 5000 CHF and your accomodation is being paid for, you won't be entitled to any reduction on the health insurance bills. It depends of where you live, but it can easily add up to about 800 CHF for two adults and a child.
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I don't know of any manual laborer that earns 5000 CHF a month or if so , he would need to be highly trained and skilled. My husband makes a thousand less (and not even that...).
To the contrary, there are few manual labourers that earn less than 5'000.-/M, look at average salaries in these particular industries 2008:
http://www.bfs.admin.ch/bfs/portal/e...branche.parsys
This is before taxes of course, but still gives you a good idea how high average salaries really are. A lot of companies are practising salary dumping now that immigration influx is that big though.
Working as a cashier at Migros in Zürich should get you around 3'500.-/M gross, and that's considered the "inofficial minimum salary" in Switzerland.

edit: On a sidenote, I work in "Activities auxiliary to banking and insurance, and the minimum salary in these statistics (4'700 or so) is exactly what we pay an 18 year old after he finished his apprenticeship here with us. Generally spoken, office salaries without special skills are around 5'500.-/M here in Zürich city. It really depends where you live though, as average salaries and living costs vary a lot.
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I don't know of any manual laborer that earns 5000 CHF a month or if so , he would need to be highly trained and skilled.
I've met a few. Many Europeans come here for manual laborer jobs and earn that salary. It is generally hard and dangerous work though.
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Re: Is this salary enough to live on? [Bern, 3500/mo, 2 adults, 1 kid]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Sorry to be so negative, but I just don't see it. Are you're children really going to go to Swiss school learning Swiss German? Or are they going to join an international school? Is the school paid by the company? If you want to take them anywhere here in Switzerland (holiday, visit mountains and other various entertainment), it really is very expensive!
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Re: Is this salary enough to live on? [Bern, 3500/mo, 2 adults, 1 kid]

have you seen the threads on here?

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why the fxxx are levis 100CHFs??

Obviously not. You need to be a billionaire to live here.
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