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Picture on a CV?

Hi Everyone,

My post in the introductions section will follow!

I am currently living in Germany and having been here for more than 7 years have more than settled into the German way of doing things.

However I have decided it is time for a change and have started applying for jobs in Zürich. Having only had a German CV for many years now I have just translated the German version into English. I have been advised to take the picture off though.

So my question really is if it is standard to have a picture on your CV in Switzerland or not? I know in Germany it is pretty normal.

Depending on what language the job advert is in I'll be sending the CV of that language.

So is it standard or not? Any opinions?
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Old 21.05.2007, 21:42
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Hi Everyone,

My post in the introductions section will follow!

I am currently living in Germany and having been here for more than 7 years have more than settled into the German way of doing things.

However I have decided it is time for a change and have started applying for jobs in Zürich. Having only had a German CV for many years now I have just translated the German version into English. I have been advised to take the picture off though.

So my question really is if it is standard to have a picture on your CV in Switzerland or not? I know in Germany it is pretty normal.

Depending on what language the job advert is in I'll be sending the CV of that language.

So is it standard or not? Any opinions?
This subject came up recently where I work part-time....

The young chap in question, doing his practical year with this firm was told by his teacher, "If they don't ask for a photo, don't give it".

His theory being,, if the prospective employer has a huge pile of CV's in front of him, he may dismiss you straight away as a possibility, simply because you don't look "Sympathisch" (doesn't like the look of you!?) it may just be the way you part your hair, or the colour of your shirt...

If there is no photo, the prospective employer may be more tempted to rate you on your merits, rather than appearance.

If they ask for one, well I would say, yes you should but if not,, leave it out.

Hope this helps.
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Old 21.05.2007, 22:06
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His theory being,, if the prospective employer has a huge pile of CV's in front of him, he may dismiss you straight away as a possibility, simply because you don't look "Sympathisch" (doesn't like the look of you!?) it may just be the way you part your hair, or the colour of your shirt...
I often wonder what possible purpose photos serve in the recruitment process other than to discriminate on factors such as race, skin colour or appearance.

Perhaps some forum members who work in HR departments who ask for photos from candidates can assure me that I'm wrong
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Old 21.05.2007, 23:32
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Perhaps some forum members who work in HR departments who ask for photos from candidates can assure me that I'm wrong
I've never bothered with photos on the resume. But I have often take pictures of the people I have interviewed - just to help me remember who they were, esp. if they were coming back for a second interview.

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Old 22.05.2007, 08:31
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Re: Picture on a CV?

if they want to discriminate people - they will always find a way, no matter what.

they might call for an interview based on your merits - but if they really are the type who discriminate - chances are they'd turn you down anyway because apparently you won't fit on their "corporate culture".

my CV has my picture on it - if they call, then I know it's because of my merits and not the color of my skin..
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Old 22.05.2007, 08:51
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Not sure about your reasoning here. If you were a Clanger, and the hiring boss was discriminating by hiring only other Clangers (who went to bed early), then you are aiding his discrimination task in the early stages by providing him with a photo. If on the other hand, you were a Soup-Dragon that sent no photo, you may also make the shortlist, and making such discrimination more visible in the later stages.

Though as we have discussed on another thread somewhere, if discriminatory advertising discourages you from even applying then the issue is never recognised for being the problem that it is, and goes unchallenged.

Unless you are applying for a job where your looks are the product, then I can't see the case for a photo being a reasonable requirement, except as an aide-memoir for the interviewer.

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my CV has my picture on it - if they call, then I know it's because of my merits and not the color of my skin..
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Old 22.05.2007, 10:04
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Re: Picture on a CV?

It seems to be the norm here in Switzerland, along with other things that (as an American) I find odd, such as date of birth.

That being said, I'm a handsome guy, so I figure that having my picture on the CV helps if I get a female recruiter. ;-)
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Re: Picture on a CV?

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His theory being,, if the prospective employer has a huge pile of CV's in front of him, he may dismiss you straight away as a possibility, simply because you don't look "Sympathisch" (doesn't like the look of you!?) it may just be the way you part your hair, or the colour of your shirt...
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Well yes I agree that is correct. I also always thought it was helpful to help interviewers remember who the people they interview are.

Hmmmmmmmm

I think then I will leave it out and if anyone wants a picture of my pretty face then they are welcome to one on request
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Re: Picture on a CV?

The given reason is often so that they know who you are when they come into the crowded waiting room to pick you up
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Old 22.05.2007, 13:00
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It seems to be the norm here in Switzerland, along with other things that (as an American) I find odd, such as date of birth.

That being said, I'm a handsome guy, so I figure that having my picture on the CV helps if I get a female recruiter. ;-)
I would disagree that it is the norm. I would say that it is a small percentage of the overall number of cv's crossing my desk that have a picture. But, if I were to break it down by nationality then the highest percentage of cv's with pictures would come from the German/Swiss contingent. I would honestly discourage anyone from putting a picture on their cv unless they have been requested to for a particular application. Let's face it, first impressions count and not everyone can be as "drop dead gorgeous" as me .
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Let's face it, first impressions count and not everyone can be as "drop dead gorgeous" as me .
There's something about your attitude that I like.... ;-)
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Re: Picture on a CV?

I read from one article written in French
- European CV normally has pix, age, marital status, sex
- US: those infos may lead to discrimination (which is prohibited by some US law), thus they are ormitted from a CV
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Old 29.05.2007, 16:09
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The given reason is often so that they know who you are when they come into the crowded waiting room to pick you up
Several of the Germans I interviewed used photos that are at least 20 years old and it was absolutely impossible to recognise them....

I have also received CVs where the age, religion, marital status and job was listed for the applicants' parents, spouse and siblings. Truely useful information to help me decide whether to hire the guy.....
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Old 29.05.2007, 16:24
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Re: Picture on a CV?

I never trust photo CVs because of Photoshop by Adobe. Once (not long ago) I was at a seminar teching recently unemploed executives how to find a good job quickly. One of the tricks was to "enhance" a photograph and at least use one that makes you look max 35-40.
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Several of the Germans I interviewed used photos that are at least 20 years old and it was absolutely impossible to recognise them....

I have also received CVs where the age, religion, marital status and job was listed for the applicants' parents, spouse and siblings. Truely useful information to help me decide whether to hire the guy.....
hence your avatar ???

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Re: Picture on a CV?

How bizarre, this topic came up in my workplace not 1 week ago... I was quite surprised to find a colleague (German, but has been working in CH for a handful of years now) say that, given a huge pile of CVs, he would eliminate the pile without a photo without even looking at them, since he feels that those who did not put a photo simply did not show enough effort in their job application. A Swiss colleague concurred.

Coming from Australia where a picture is in no way the norm (most likely the same grounds as in the US -- discouraged due to fear of showing discrimination?), I had a slightly animated discussion about this.

I deduced from this episode that CVs are the norm here in CH (granted, from a sample size of 2), and came to a compromise that I guess if they are the norm here, then you may as well make it look good (i.e. neat and presentable).

Still, the idea that someone can just toss your merits out the window because you don't look right by their standards.... gah
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What sad , shallow colleagues you must have. Tell him he can look forward to being rejected from his next job application by someone that doesn't like his spots, his hairstyle or his eyebrows that meet in the middle.

Can you post his photo here so we can keep an eye out for him ? One less application to consider.

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How bizarre, this topic came up in my workplace not 1 week ago... I was quite surprised to find a colleague (German, but has been working in CH for a handful of years now) say that, given a huge pile of CVs, he would eliminate the pile without a photo without even looking at them, since he feels that those who did not put a photo simply did not show enough effort in their job application. A Swiss colleague concurred.
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Re: Picture on a CV?

Well, to be fair to them, they are not at all like what you would expect them to be if you only took on board these said views (i get along pretty well with them, and besides, otherwise they wouldn't employ me -- one of them was responsible for hiring me and i'm not exactly a tall pneumatic blond )

So I put it down really to it being the norm/culture that they're used to.

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What sad , shallow colleagues you must have. Tell him he can look forward to being rejected from his next job application by someone that doesn't like his spots, his hairstyle or his eyebrows that meet in the middle.

Can you post his photo here so we can keep an eye out for him ? One less application to consider.

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CV Photo- goatee, beard, or clean shaven

Any of the HR gurus have an opinion on facial hair, namely a goatee as seen on the photograph that goes along with CV?

I'm in the legal field and have applied for a job where I have been asked to provide a photo of myself. Do the companies in Switzerland have any sort of protocol / requirements / preferences for the clean cut look. ie. no facial hair.

Where I'm from, small town USA, I can tell you that company A- won't let you in the door with facial hair, super conservative, blue suits only, must wear company pin at all times (even in the shower)....where as company B- doesn't care so much as long a you have a clean appearance and wear a blue suit. This is the same for law firms here,... there are some super conservative firms that don't want facial hair on their employees others don't care so much.

Any insight on what it's like for Switzerland?
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Re: CV Photo- goatee, beard, or clean shaven

Clean will never be an issue, facial hair could be so the answer is quite simple as I see it - send a photo without it. But as many have already mentioned, I would only send photo if asked for it. I have never eliminated an applicant because of no photo (I never ask for it) but I have put applicants in "no thank you" pile based on photo (in conjunction with CV).


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Any of the HR gurus have an opinion on facial hair, namely a goatee as seen on the photograph that goes along with CV?

I'm in the legal field and have applied for a job where I have been asked to provide a photo of myself. Do the companies in Switzerland have any sort of protocol / requirements / preferences for the clean cut look. ie. no facial hair.

Where I'm from, small town USA, I can tell you that company A- won't let you in the door with facial hair, super conservative, blue suits only, must wear company pin at all times (even in the shower)....where as company B- doesn't care so much as long a you have a clean appearance and wear a blue suit. This is the same for law firms here,... there are some super conservative firms that don't want facial hair on their employees others don't care so much.

Any insight on what it's like for Switzerland?
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