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Potential employer demanding a reference from current employer

Has anyone else been asked to supply the contact details of a referee in their current company before an offer was made by the new company?

For me offers have always been made subject to appropriate references and these were taken up after the agreement had been made. To do it the other way around seems very risky to me and could potentially backfire (not to mention putting the potential employer in a stronger bargaining position). Note that I don't mean a testimonial of any sort but the opportunity for the new hiring manager to call your current boss (or other referee) while you were still working for them.

I wanted to see if this is a common occurence and whether I was right to object.

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Re: Potential employer demanding a reference from current employer

I've never had that done to me, and when you potentially don't want your bosses to know you're even thinking of leaving then it seems a pretty crap thing to have to do. Normally you give your references on paper and often the only thing they do is contact HR to check you worked at those places at those dates. You're right to object in my opinion.
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Re: Potential employer demanding a reference from current employer

I have never heard of this being done (even though you should always assume that the hiring company will (illegally) try to get information about you from anybody at your current place of employment.) I know that sounds bad, but I have worked in HR and rules are broken all the time. I once chastised a headhunter for calling me to ask me questions about someone I didn't know but who had worked for the company. I was not in HR at that time and felt that this was unethical and very unprofessional. What if I had not liked the candidate or had an axe to grind? I could have hurt their chances.

I digress. I have never heard of an employer openly asking the candidate for references from the current employer. Maybe someone more familiar with labor laws here can advise you.

I would share your concern with the new employer. If they can't accept the precarious position they are putting you in, I would take a pass on the offer. If this is how they are treating you in the courtship phase, I can only imagine how they will treat you when you have signed on the dotted line...
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I would share your concern with the new employer. If they can't accept the precarious position they are putting you in, I would take a pass on the offer. If this is how they are treating you in the courtship phase, I can only imagine how they will treat you when you have signed on the dotted line...
I agree, tell them if they cannot respect your confidentiality you are not interested in working for them.
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Re: Potential employer demanding a reference from current employer

As part of the application/interview process it's not uncommon for references/referees to be asked for, but they not normally taken up until after a contract is signed, which is normally then subject to confirmation of ref's/quals etc. Did they actually say they were going to contact your referees before making an offer?
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Re: Potential employer demanding a reference from current employer

If you are going through an agency, then on no account give them reference details (especially of current employer) until you've been given a firm offer, in writing. It is not unknown (i.e. it is very common), to use the reference information to call up the referee and try to place candidates with them.

Agencies will tell you it's their policy, that the clients demand it, that no-one else has question this. It simply isn't true. The more they insist, the less likely that there is a real job behind it. If they think they can make money by placing you, they won't demand references up front.

If an agency isn't involved, then it's more likely to be genuine. However, I would still not give details without a firm written job offer.
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Re: Potential employer demanding a reference from current employer

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As part of the application/interview process it's not uncommon for references/referees to be asked for, but they not normally taken up until after a contract is signed, which is normally then subject to confirmation of ref's/quals etc. Did they actually say they were going to contact your referees before making an offer?
They were absolutley insistent on contacting my current manager before giving me a decision and making an offer (verbal or formal). This was normal process according to them although I've never heard of it and it seems nobody else has either. I refused as politely as I could but tried to keep the dialogue open. Another referee provided an exemplary reference (I'm that good - honest) and they stopped hounding me but they were adamant that no decision/offer would be made before receiving references.

I believe that they had been to some "hard ball" school of HR and recruitment as I was continually put under pressure and received demands with very little notice. My reading of the situation was that they believed that if they acted as though I should be grateful and feel flattered to receive an offer I would immediately say yes and I was lucky to have it.

I have a friend who has attended sales technique seminars along the same lines and we agree that a smack in the mouth is a more likely outcome than a sale.

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They were absolutley insistent on contacting my current manager before giving me a decision and making an offer (verbal or formal). This was normal process according to them although I've never heard of it and it seems nobody else has either. I refused as politely as I could but tried to keep the dialogue open. Another referee provided an exemplary reference (I'm that good - honest) and they stopped hounding me but they were adamant that no decision/offer would be made before receiving references.

I believe that they had been to some "hard ball" school of HR and recruitment as I was continually put under pressure and received demands with very little notice. My reading of the situation was that they believed that if they acted as though I should be grateful and feel flattered to receive an offer I would immediately say yes and I was lucky to have it.

I have a friend who has attended sales technique seminars along the same lines and we agree that a smack in the mouth is a more likely outcome than a sale.

Thanks for the posts.
If a future employer treats you this way before they have even got you on board, I'd to think about how they'd treat you once on board!!!

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Re: Potential employer demanding a reference from current employer

I've been asked for contact details for managers before but failed to give them out until after a contractual arrangement has been agreed to and signed. I've never had an employer even blink at this or even question my reasons for doing it. If they want to know, let them ask you in person and you can explain it to them.
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