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Hey, you can easily survive on 3k per month in Switzerland without going through huge hardship. But owning and running a car, entertainment and saving? That's 7k net territory IMO.
That was the great and smart answer I was waiting for
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Old 20.05.2010, 00:54
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That was the great and smart answer I was waiting for
As "smart" as that answer may be, I'm curious if it is truly a realistic amount for a student to anticipate?
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Old 20.05.2010, 00:55
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That was the great and smart answer I was waiting for
What is the meaning of "computer science"?

I hire students for some activities but in very focussed areas (35CHF per hour so do not get over excited )
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Old 20.05.2010, 00:56
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As "smart" as that answer may be, I'm curious if it is truly a realistic amount for a student to anticipate?
No, definitely not.
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No, definitely not.
I did not so far mention anything about the external support I will be having. So please don't try to anticipate right away what is realistic and so on. From a common scenario surely a "student" can't think of a net salary of 7k/month. But again about the "external support" I have not given any clue so far. No place for incomplete hypothesis testing. Cheers...........
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Old 20.05.2010, 01:14
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I did not so far mention anything about the external support I will be having. So please don't try to anticipate right away what is realistic and so on. From a common scenario surely a "student" can't think of a net salary of 7k/month. But again about the "external support" I have not given any clue so far. No place for incomplete hypothesis testing. Cheers...........

On the other hand, I had wanted clarity whether 40k/yr was indeed "paltry" for a student position or not.

Apparently it is not. So, good for you (seriously) that you have additional income from someplace.
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Old 20.05.2010, 01:21
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I did not so far mention anything about the external support I will be having. So please don't try to anticipate right away what is realistic and so on. From a common scenario surely a "student" can't think of a net salary of 7k/month. But again about the "external support" I have not given any clue so far. No place for incomplete hypothesis testing. Cheers...........
I am not anticipating what is realistic. I *know* what is realistic. You may be the exception to the rule, and you are right, I don't know that. But please, don't come here, ask for advice and so on, and then tell us we don't know. We can only offer our best advice with the information that is given.

And for future students, who search this forum, it is not beneficial to give them unrealistic expectations.

Oh, and Peg A, to answer your question truthfully, PhDs in the science and engineering fields, that are federally funded (which is pretty much all of them) make around 60000 CHF/year. Postdocs make around 85000 CHF/year... And this is just starting off; they get small raises yearly.
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That is a VERY low salary for Switzerland, waiters make more than that...
Welcome to the world of academia
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But again about the "external support" I have not given any clue so far.
Oh please DO now you've made us curious
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Old 20.05.2010, 02:54
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I think a decent furnished apartment is at least going to set you back 1200, and I am thinking of a small apartment. So that would leave you 1800 for the rest. Telephone, electricity, groceries I would estimate around 600 CHF a month that would leave you 1200...and forget about dining out, a simple restaurant (lets say McDonalds will cost you around 12-15 CHF per meal)
Not to mention the cost of a bus pass (even with a car, you'll probably want one of those), which is something like 70 francs a month. If you have a car the blue zone parking permit (which does not guarantee a space, just the right to park in one if you find it) is 120/year.

Oh, and don't forget that Basel is a high tax city, so be sure to put about 1/3 of what you earn into a savings for taxes (if they're not deducted at the source for you).
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4K per month is on the high side.

2.5K is the usual income for a student doing PhD

It's enough to have your basics and a some playtime, many students do with less.
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Old 20.05.2010, 08:36
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Dear friends,

I got a PhD offer in computer science with in a project funded by the SNF. The salary offered is 40000 CHF/Year. Now I am little confused about the position as far as the salary is concerned.
3000 Fr. a month is not a lot. But to put it in perspective: count yourself lucky. After graduation I was offered a PhD position financed through the SNF and they would have paid 28'000 a year (which I had to decline - you just can't live on 2500 a month if you're married - for one person it might be enough). So what you need to ask yourself: do you want the doctorate or not? Nobody is going to get his butt gold-plated from a doctorate. So if you're thinking it's not worth it: just leave it - I'm sure there are plenty of Swiss residents waiting for the opportunity.

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It's a fantastic salary, take it and get on with your PhD thesis now
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Old 20.05.2010, 09:07
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Re: "40000 CHF in Basel for PhD"-Is it enough for a good life?

40K is fantastic and you'll probably get a pay increase each year. You won't and don't need a car. I suggest sharing an apartment as well. Probably one of the best experiences I got out of University and you can probably get away with paying <800CHF all up including bills. Seriously, you can live pretty easy on that. And eat out from time to time too.
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When I was a PhD student a few years ago I made 25K NZD a year (around 15-20K CHF depending on the exchange rate) and this was the most prestigious scholarship one could get - about 25% more than standard PhD scholarships. I am sure that waiters got paid more than that, but a PhD student is exactly that - a student! Deal with it, or else don't do one.
That is not comparable to reality here, Switzerland is way more expensive than your average European country and I am sure more expensive than New Zaeland.
PhDs get paid different salaries also, just 3-4 years ago I made 1540 euro NETO when doing my PhD in the Netherlands...Of course that was the end salary, the first salary was 850 euro neto but my insurance and travel expenses were covered.
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I did not so far mention anything about the external support I will be having. So please don't try to anticipate right away what is realistic and so on. From a common scenario surely a "student" can't think of a net salary of 7k/month. But again about the "external support" I have not given any clue so far. No place for incomplete hypothesis testing. Cheers...........
What a moronic statement to post...well we do not know because you did not give that info away so excuse us for trying to give you a clear picture! Then do your own calculations I say...
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Old 20.05.2010, 09:19
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How much does a waiter get here? More than 40K?
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Maybe. If I had worked full-time in my service possition. it would have been more. But that job wasn`t really the norm. Sevice got as much as cooks, who got as much as the cleaners who got as much as the admin etc etc etc.
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Old 20.05.2010, 09:32
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It doesn't sound bad to me as far as students salary... I would see how many other benefits you can negotiate e.g. GA, insurance, perhaps studio paid, meals, maybe get part time employment say 20% of your time and etc... Anyway, you might not live lavish lifestyle on that, but still get student's discounts. At the end of the day, being a student on 40k won't be bring you down to utter destitution students are known to always make plan and figure the things out. I would go for it, commitment is not very long and at the end you get PhD and prolonged your youth.
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How much does a waiter get here? More than 40K?
probably somewhere in that area. But a waiter isn't student.
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