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Re: "40000 CHF in Basel for PhD"-Is it enough for a good life?

An option to reduce costs is probably to live in germany and work in basel. The OP seems to be from germany, should be easy i guess.

Another point, if you want to do all the things you mention (savings + car), probably doing a PhD is not the best way.
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Some of them are, I`ve heard some of them are even actors.
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probably somewhere in that area. But a waiter isn't student.
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Old 20.05.2010, 09:48
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Re: "40000 CHF in Basel for PhD"-Is it enough for a good life?

I work as an Intern in Baden and earn total 3000 Chf a month, take away taxes and other stuff I get charged I earn roughly 2600Chf a month. For me this is more than enough to live off comfortably (I was skiing twice a week all winter and I travel quite alot on weekends). Top tips to make it worhthwhile and save some money:

1. Sack off the car, it is next to useless in Switzerland. If you want to spend lots of cash on transport get a GA card, it is much more useful than a car.

2. Don't waste money on crap you don't actually need. Is any more explanation needed?

3. Rent shared accomodation. A very easy way to meet some people where you live and massively cut the cost of accomodation.

4. Be realistic. Be willing to make some small sactifices in the way you normall do things in order to have a generally easier time on a 'small' salary. E.g. don't go out and get trashed every weekend, maybe eat out a little less, etc.

Hopefully this tips have helped. Also you say you are getting another source of funding, why not just throw this into a bank account and keep it as your savings and anything you have left over here is a bonus.
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Re: "40000 CHF in Basel for PhD"-Is it enough for a good life?

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That is not comparable to reality here, Switzerland is way more expensive than your average European country and I am sure more expensive than New Zaeland.
PhDs get paid different salaries also, just 3-4 years ago I made 1540 euro NETO when doing my PhD in the Netherlands...Of course that was the end salary, the first salary was 850 euro neto but my insurance and travel expenses were covered.
Well it is relatively comparable because 40K is twice the value I lived on in NZ, and Switzerland might be twice as expensive as NZ (which it is for some things but isn't for others). And the comparison I was actually making was that waiters get paid more than that in both countries. The point I was making (and many others have made) is that student lifestyle is not comparable to a "salaried" job. Frugal lifestyle, shared accommodation, etc etc.
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Old 20.05.2010, 10:22
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Q1: How much salary one needs approximately to afford the following things.
  1. A decent and furnished appartment on rent.
  2. A simple car bought in leasing/monthly installment (in Germany we have something like http://www.gute-rate.de).
The offering of 40000 CHF/Year in Basel simply seems to be a 60% position, correct me if I am wrong. How many hours of work one should do for a 60% position.
I am truly amazed at the feeling of entitlement ...
How many of us expected the above during the PhD or the post doc years?
Or the few years after that?
Nothing to do with "I lived in a cardbor box" thing. Just the attitude is wrong here.
I hope that your future supervisor is not an EF member, he might just not offer you the position after all.
I for sure would not.
My advice: forget the PhD and get a job in finance or real estate
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Old 20.05.2010, 10:57
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Re: "40000 CHF in Basel for PhD"-Is it enough for a good life?

It's enough to live nicely. Just not your definition of nicely.

For accommodation you can probably get a student apartment which is furnished for about 600-700 per month. I have a friend doing a PhD in Geneva who has this.
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Old 20.05.2010, 11:00
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My advice: forget the PhD and get a job in finance or real estate
The poor guy doesn't want to become a wanker!!
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Old 20.05.2010, 11:01
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It's enough to live nicely. Just not your definition of nicely.

For accommodation you can probably get a student apartment which is furnished for about 600-700 per month. I have a friend doing a PhD in Geneva who has this.
The University of Basel doesn't offer many housing options - they have a "Studentenwohnheim" (dorm) but there's a waiting list for that. They also have a guest house but that's only a temporary solution. However, for 600-700 Fr. per month you should be able to get a 1-room apartment.
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Re: "40000 CHF in Basel for PhD"-Is it enough for a good life?

40k isnt enough, you'll live like a bum
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Being a bum in Switzerland has it`s advantages.
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Old 20.05.2010, 11:17
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40k isnt enough, you'll live like a bum
Is that a bad thing?
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Old 20.05.2010, 11:18
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How many hours of work one should do for a 60% position. I guess it is kind of a work where you are required to work full-time and earn half of the 100% salary.

A PhD is 60% not for your convenience and not because it's part-time but rather because you are being trained and you will come away from it with a doctoral qualification and supposedly, much greater marketability and potential. You "guess" you will be expected to work 100%. You guess right. And beyond.

I was a 72% postdoc, and I think it worked out at something like 6 hours 2 minutes per day. Do you think research can just stop? Think again.
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Old 20.05.2010, 11:25
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The University of Basel doesn't offer many housing options - they have a "Studentenwohnheim" (dorm) but there's a waiting list for that. They also have a guest house but that's only a temporary solution. However, for 600-700 Fr. per month you should be able to get a 1-room apartment.
When I moved to Neuchatel for my PhD I lived in a 35m2 studio for 680 inc charges. That only lasted 3 months before I realised that my first priority is to live somewhere nice and living area is the last place to save money on.

I now pay almost double that
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How much does a waiter get here? More than 40K?
A waiter has probably already learnt how to do his job and knows the limitations.

How much does a person get with a PhD (after qualifying) ? More than a well paid waiter ! (or waitress for that matter)
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A waiter has probably already learnt how to do his job and knows the limitations.

How much does a person get with a PhD (after qualifying) ? More than a well paid waiter ! (or waitress for that matter)
Usually 0 because they are over qualified

I kid. You can only go so far in science without a PhD. Of course there are exceptions to that rule though.
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I am not anticipating what is realistic. I *know* what is realistic. You may be the exception to the rule, and you are right, I don't know that. But please, don't come here, ask for advice and so on, and then tell us we don't know. We can only offer our best advice with the information that is given.

And for future students, who search this forum, it is not beneficial to give them unrealistic expectations.

Oh, and Peg A, to answer your question truthfully, PhDs in the science and engineering fields, that are federally funded (which is pretty much all of them) make around 60000 CHF/year. Postdocs make around 85000 CHF/year... And this is just starting off; they get small raises yearly.
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A PhD is 60% not for your convenience and not because it's part-time but rather because you are being trained and you will come away from it with a doctoral qualification and supposedly, much greater marketability and potential. You "guess" you will be expected to work 100%. You guess right. And beyond.

I was a 72% postdoc, and I think it worked out at something like 6 hours 2 minutes per day. Do you think research can just stop? Think again.
That was a path breaking answer. Definitely research cant stop. I expect to work 100% even for the 60% salary.

There are some people who are saying 40K/ year is kind of living like a Bum. Some mentioned getting 850 Euro as starting PhD salary in Netherlands (which is not a average ). Let me explain. I leave in a city in the west Germany and during my bachelor and master studies last five years I earned 600-750 Euro/ month as a research assistant. That was pretty good for a student here. other than a car and a very good apartment I was able to travel, socialize often and save a little bit of money. Food is damn cheap in Germany compared to Switzerland. Now in Germany in my university town we have some PhDs starting around 1900 Euro/ Month (Net). So one can guess with that money you can really have a good life and many are married. A furnished apartment cost around 600 Euro. Of course there are low PhD salary scale too. I know of 1200 Euro/ Month scholarship too. But in that case you have full student status and cant show any work experience after your PhD. Its my feeling but I think 1900 Euro/moth compared to 3000 CHF/month is more when you compare the life standard you can avail in respective countries.

Now about my "external support" I can just say that I am having a partnership with a company where we do scientific modeling. I have some intellectual copyright there and during my PhD also I will keep my position in the German company. My PhD work at Basel and the company's interest lies quite in the same direction. Ours is a company that started off last year. So the money from the company will be my saving mostly. I am sorry if I took much time before giving an explanation. Some people here seems quite angry for not telling this.
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Thank you very much to all of you. One of the best forums I ever interacted in. I am not sure most probably I will accept the offer. The project is very interesting and I like it. Living with 40000K/year is what seems possible in Basel so far. I will make my plans accordingly. Thanks to all of you for being so cordial. Best wishes.........
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Re: "40000 CHF in Basel for PhD"-Is it enough for a good life?

Hello everyone,

After reading all posts above it seems I've got tough decision to make.

I was preselected for an offer of PhD in Basel (in organic chemistry). The only thing I know about salary is that it's "definitely competitive" (financed by SNSF) - these are exact words I've been told.

I'm also before interview for a job as a research associate in organic chemistry in company called Actelion.

In my case, I want to mainly save some money during my eventual PhD studies. Otherwise I would do it in any other country, where they pay much less but considering standards of life - enough to survive.

What is better to choose? In both cases I'm doing what I like.
Is it possible to get in Actelion more than 50k CHF (if yes, what is decent amount I can come up with during interview?). I'm a graduate from French University (2009), where I was later employed for 7 months as junior research fellow.

You said eating out and food in general is expensive in Switzerland.
Aren't there any students discounts for example for lunch at the Universities?

Thank you in advance for you opinion.
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Old 20.05.2010, 23:35
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In my case, I want to mainly save some money during my eventual PhD studies. Otherwise I would do it in any other country, where they pay much less but considering standards of life - enough to survive.
So listen, you can definitely definitely "survive" on the PhD salary here. There is no question about that. You just have to be reasonable with your expectations of quality of life. If you want to save, you can. If you want to go out and explore, you can. You will have just enough money to figure out a plan that works for your specific lifestyle (especially if you are already a student and know how to budget your money).

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] What is better to choose? In both cases I'm doing what I like. Is it possible to get in Actelion more than 50k CHF (if yes, what is decent amount I can come up with during interview?). I'm a graduate from French University (2009), where I was later employed for 7 months as junior research fellow.
The best decision you can make is what feels right to you (and none of us can tell you that). Go with your gut feeling. If you are ready and committed to going for a PhD, like the program and your potential advisor, get a good feeling from the research you are going to be doing etc... etc... etc..., then this is the time. If you have a better feeling about the actual job and want to have a go at industry, do it. For O-Chem majors, though, I think a PhD is essential to do any "real" science (as we say). And once you are out in the real world, it is hard to go back... But either way, it won't be a wrong decision if it is what you feel is right.
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Re: "40000 CHF in Basel for PhD"-Is it enough for a good life?

you can easily live of it. I have a very nice car, nice apartment, good insurance , eat out nearly every day (fast food mostly) drink a ton in the bars in weekends. AND still save. Granted in my previous job I made a tad bit more after tax)

You can make it on that very easily if you try. just dont expect to go shopping etc.

I think people forget that you dont need much as a student....and have no dependants (if that is the case)
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