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I believe that nothing is impossible if you invest the necessary time & effort into it and i wouldn't replace switzerland with any other EU country to reside, would you ?
I might, if Switzerland were in the EU...

Perhaps you should try again with a thread entitled something along the lines of
"There is a demand for me in CH. Tell me what it is. And no dissenting opinions, however well-informed or well-intentioned."
Just a thought...
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Old 26.06.2010, 16:12
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Re: Would there be a demand for me in CH ?

I'm a French teacher from France and my overseas teaching qualification and experiences have been recognised here in Switzerland. I am allowed to teach at Middle school level in the whole country. However, I have not been able to get some work in local schools as teachers here at trained ti teach up to 3 or 4 subjects and mainly because they will first employ Swiss nationals. This was confirmed to me by the EDK itself! Had I known earlier, I would have never bothered paying the fees of 400CHF and go through the whole process!
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I might, if Switzerland were in the EU...

Perhaps you should try again with a thread entitled something along the lines of
"There is a demand for me in CH. Tell me what it is. And no dissenting opinions, however well-informed or well-intentioned."
Just a thought...
Now thats the first funny comment i get listen i bet you that you can't tell if Egypt is considered a middle east country or african country within 3 seconds once asked and by the way i meant European country but wrote EU luckly to get your comment, i think you can do a great job as a motivation consultant to the national football team

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In case you have not noticed,
There is a recession out there and Switzerland is not immune to the fallout. What OPs are saying is that for the time being, it's hard to get work permits, and many people here on short term work visas have seen these not being renewed. Visa for spouses are hard to get, and even if one has a visa landing a job is not easy.
What is in demand? Mostly I would think technical and engineering with managerial experience and >10 years experience ... a job ad might look like this


"Executive Director of <<SOMETHING>>. Looking for a sharp Executive Director of <<SOMETHING>>. Fortune 500 with public and private experience. Needs to be hardcore....."
Thanks for the contribution, i think it is based on long experience

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So what do you recommend for making my dream a reality ?
A reality check? You seem to ignore what everyone is trying to tell you politely, so impolitely, baby sitting and a little translation would not get you a permit.

Supply chain work is hard to get, my wife is a supply chain professional and for the last low level opening she had, she was falling over applications from double degree'd, experienced people, who speak fluent English and High German (at business level) as a minimum, who either had B or C permit or were Swiss nationals, L & non permit holders didn't get a look in as directed by her HR... so that is the bar for your husband.

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Not met with a no from the Swiss authorities yet have you
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Old 27.06.2010, 00:42
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I believe that nothing is impossible if you invest the necessary time & effort into it and i wouldn't replace switzerland with any other EU country to reside, would you ?
The Schengen area has a population of about 500 million and the rules are the same in each country - an employer trying to get you a permit would have to be able to convince the authorities that they could not find anyone within that market who could do the job before a permit would be issued.

The skill set you offer is widely available within the market already hence the authorities would find it very hard to believe any employer coming with a claim that they need to go outside the Schengen area to recruit such an employee.

Even if you consider something like the Arabic language, you'll find that many North African people already hold EU passports and would have the right to such jobs before you would be considered.

The bottom line here is that unless you have some very special skills as demonstrated by a higher level degree such as a masters or Phd plus several years experience then you will find it hard to even get an employer to consider you for a position, let alone get them to apply for a permit for you!

Yes there could be opportunities for you to come and study here, but after qualification you would still be in the same situation - EU/CH citizens come first. And to top it all your qualifications obtain here will most likely not be recognized in other Schengen states unless you have an EU or CH passport!

The only small hope I can think of is that you find work in Egypt with an international company who have operations here, work your way up to a management position and hope that they can get you a transfer on the basis that you are a key person in their organization. But it is a very long shot!!!

Good luck with that,

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Re: Would there be a demand for me in CH ?

I would also suggest looking for work in France. I'm not sure what the situation there is but it gives you a bigger market then just looking for work in Switzerland.

If you can get a job and residency in France and live there for 5years. You would be able to take up French citizenship, which would also allow you to work in Switzerland. There seems to be some rule about studying for two years at a French University.
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Not to shock you but there's already plenty of arabic speakers around with a permit...
...and a few without
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Dear Jim,
Thanks for your constructive convincing reply, point well taken
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Dandon, Considering your french-english-arabic skills you might try looking thru the UN postings here in Geneva. ( altho not currently under the UN umbrella as such I do know that that WTO is currently looking for a couple of Arabic press officers. )

http://www.unsystem.org/

(this will take some little work.. but if you look at the links above, click on those agencies located in GE, you will eventually find vacancy listings within each site AND if you are lucky something appropriate for your skills. )



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So what do you recommend for making my dream a reality ?

I really appreciate your constructive contributions and now I am totally clear on that so the first step is to check those potential professions, is there a website...?
It seems the advice of our learned colleagues is void to you, and you will stop at nothing to come here and make your dream a reality...

Why don't you marry a Swiss or EU passport holder then?

www.swissfriends.ch



I did (...not as a means of getting in to "paradise" though)
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Dude, she is already married, hahaa....

Ok. I think you do have a shot and that would be in Ge, as grynch mentioned. I would focus on that, also for your hubby. The downside of that is it is the most expensive place in Switzerland. The upside is, there are a lot of small jobs, babysitting,etc. for you and your kids, if your husbands gets his work permit, for example. I would also contact your embassy in CH and contact their business chamber, there miht be some work opportunities here for people with your and your hubster's experiences and education. I would also contact CH embassy (again business chamber) in your homeland and see if they are posting any vacancies. If all of this is inefficient, I do have to say, it is a difficult time to get a job. A reality most of us is dealing with, it's not only you.
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I would also contact your embassy in CH and contact their business chamber, there miht be some work opportunities here for people with your and your hubster's experiences.

you'll also notice that one of the hyper links I posted above was a link to permanent missions here in GE.
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I am an Egyptian lady who don't hold EU passport and speak fluent French, Arabic and very good English with frech teaching experience & freelance translation experience so what are my best job search destinations to reside and work in switzerland ?
I know a number of Egyptians living in Switzerland. If you speak French the west of the country would be the best place (Romandie).
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There are calls to improve Arabic teaching in CH. This might open the path to creation of jobs that require professional Arabic teaching.

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The demand for Arabic courses in Switzerland is growing – both among the resident Arab community and Swiss interested in the language.

Now there are also growing calls for improvements in the way the language is taught.

Almost every city or municipality in Switzerland has a cultural society, a national club or a cultural centre that organises Arabic lessons and introduces the culture and history of the language.

Bin Hamidah notes that lessons in Switzerland may be too infrequent. “One class a week is not enough, particularly in light of the absence of a communication environment for this language outside the class.”

Swissinfo
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I believe that nothing is impossible if you invest the necessary time & effort into it and i wouldn't replace switzerland with any other EU country to reside, would you ?
Yes! Switzerland is a very livable country, but so are other countries. I have yet to go to another country and not find things that I liked.

Within Switzerland, foreign skilled staff are employed noticibly in the Pharma industries, also banking and skilled I.T people. A recognised teaching qualification is needed to teach in schools, and to get a permit to work in preschool centres, you are also competing against EU folk.

What about your husband - is there perhaps a logistics company that deals between Switzerland and Arabic countries, that he could approach re his own set of work skills?

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I've read the entire thread with amusement I must say. It's often like this among emigrants - they pick up a country of their dream, persuade themselves it's a paradise and go around different forums asking the folks to confirm their rosy views getting mad when people smash their dream with the reality facts.

You don't believe the local folks from Switzerland. All right, would you take an opinion of another foreigner? I promise to be honest.

Most of what is called "the first world" has experienced massive decline and the shrinkage of the job market last years. That holds true for UK, EU, Switzerland, US, Canada and Australia. Consequently a large-scale immigration into those countries has stopped. People who came there seeking to find a good job and make decent money are moving back. For instance many Polish workers have left UK, many Chinese and Indians have left US and Canada and returned home. Not without reasons. The Middle East and Asian markets and economies will be explosively growing in the years to come, the Western market will continue its descent.

You reside in one of the markets with the largest potential. Why come here doing non-qualified child care when you can make a good career home?

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A better question is if it is simply worth it. Consider a simple and a sad fact that it takes several months (extremely lucky) to several years (normal) to find a job or switch a job even if you are a local, with a permit or a passport, a university degree and several years of work experience. At the same time it might take just a few days to get a job back home.

Childcare being a low-paid activity, you won't be able to afford anything. To buy a car, an apartment, just forget it. You would be struggling to cover your living expenses, such as the rent, energy costs and the food.

By the way, do you know that heating is a massive problem in the region? At least it is in Germany and France but I guess it's identical to Switzerland. Officially the heating must provide some 16-18 degrees room temperature and that's it. Automated systems usually lower the heating for the night when it is considered that you don't need heating while you're sleeping. Children born there have adjusted from the young ages, but if you come from a hot and a sunny country such as Egypt, you might find yourself freezing to death all the time. People coming from warm countries usually experience repetitive cold and sore throat about every 2 weeks beginning from the late summer till late spring, every year. It might massively undermine your health. And if you attempt to heat it up, you may find your energy bill just scary, it might take most of your little earnings.

I know a group of Turkish people (also coming from a hot country) in Germany, they can't afford good heating. They wait till the last possible moment, when it's already winter and only turn it on when it becomes unbearably cold inside.

More of it. Sunny weather, good quality products, sea food, the ocean, you might take it for granted in Egypt but here it's non-existent. Some of it you might import at extreme costs, for the rest you have to go abroad. But with your small earnings you won't be able to pay for quality products or go visit your sunny home country because of the too high expenses.

Again, Turkish people I know have it hard to afford a plane ticket to fly home in the summer. Some make it once in a few years, some drive a car together through several countries collectively paying for the petrol.

Are you sure you want any of that?

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What's so special about it? More or less the same as in Germany, for instance, and I suppose with minor or medium deviations similar to other "older" EU countries. Same urban design, houses, streets, supermarkets, working practices and the rules for personal relationships.

In my experience there is no dream country. It all breaks down into countries you can tolerate and into those you can't. Switzerland might seem like a dream, but the real living experience there or anywhere else in the old Europe might shock you.
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