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Would there be a demand for me in CH ?

I am an Egyptian lady who don't hold EU passport and speak fluent French, Arabic and very good English with frech teaching experience & freelance translation experience so what are my best job search destinations to reside and work in switzerland ?
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Old 20.06.2010, 20:31
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Re: Would there be a demand for me in CH ?

Hi Dandon,
unfortunately I think you will find it difficult. There is a possibility of you studying and then getting a student work permit but I think this is limited to 15 hours a week.

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Re: Would there be a demand for me in CH ?

Hi, I'm afraid I'll have to second that. Your French teaching experience isn't worth much with the Schengen agreement where French unemployed leap at every opportunity of a job here in Switzerland, without having to apply for a work permit. You could only try to leverage your Arabic skills, but I don't think it'll be easy either.
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Hi Dandon,
unfortunately I think you will find it difficult. There is a possibility of you studying and then getting a student work permit but I think this is limited to 15 hours a week.

Good luck.
i see, what would be the best option regarding specialization which is in demand, course provider, cost and pay per hour of work ? noting that i am married with 2 girls (3 years & 1.5 years) my husband has a BSc. in Business with 14 years of experience in shipping, logistics, export, procurement and marketing...i have been to gersau , Brunnen, Schwyz, Luzern and Geneva on my honeymoon and it has been my dreem ever since to allow my girls to grow there is it possible ?

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Hi, I'm afraid I'll have to second that. Your French teaching experience isn't worth much with the Schengen agreement where French unemployed leap at every opportunity of a job here in Switzerland, without having to apply for a work permit. You could only try to leverage your Arabic skills, but I don't think it'll be easy either.
I think my french/arabic experience can benefit in translation of documents/menues into arabic, customer relations in an fashion/time pieces store where arabic speaking is an added value for client contact, same applies as a student aid officer in preschools/schools where arabic students join, do you agree ? what would be the 1st steps to accomplish this ?

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Re: Would there be a demand for me in CH ?

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One place to start is to monitor the job sites for arabic speaking jobs (ie www.jobs.ch search under keyword 'arabic'). Your husband has some good skills that might be beneficial in Switzerland. It would also be worthwhile starting to learn German preferably and possibly french if living in in the french part is the aim.

It might also be worth researching what companies you and your husband could target for possible work.

Good luck and I wish you every success in your search.
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I think my french/arabic experience can benefit in translation of documents/menues into arabic, customer relations in an fashion/time pieces store where arabic speaking is an added value for client contact, same applies as a student aid officer in preschools/schools where arabic students join, do you agree ? what would be the 1st steps to accomplish this ?
The obtaining of a work permit will require you to to have skills not available to native Swiss or existing permit holders. Most of the institutions you mention would simply not be able to justify to the immegration authorites the issue of a permit, or the cost of doing so. The immigration offices are really screwing down on this hence the recent quota restrictions on permits for non EU.

Probably not what you want to hear, but Switzerland is suffering from the same shrinking job market as everywhere else.... unless you have unique or in demand skills.
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Re: Would there be a demand for me in CH ?

i know you are right but i think that the knowledge of french/arabic in Egyptian accent which is well understood by all arab speakers from different countries is an advantage for my mentioned targeted employers moreover i read last month that the government introduced new additional permits of B & L grades can i benefit from that ? what would be catagorized as unique or in demand skills ?
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Re: Would there be a demand for me in CH ?

They didn't introduced new permits, they allowed the issue of them for non EU in highly skilled roles as they had suspended them at the begining of the year. If speaking Arabic would fall into that category I'd be stunned, you are really going to find it very very difficult to get a job offer that will get you a permit.
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i know you are right but i think that the knowledge of french/arabic in Egyptian accent which is well understood by all arab speakers from different countries is an advantage for my mentioned targeted employers moreover i read last month that the government introduced new additional permits of B & L grades can i benefit from that ? what would be catagorized as unique or in demand skills ?
Not to shock you but there's already plenty of arabic speakers around with a permit...
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Not to shock you but there's already plenty of arabic speakers around with a permit...
Exactly, especially in the French speaking part of Switzerland I'm afraid, so the French/Arabic combo is an extremely common one, plus there would be huge pool of people in France with these skills too, who don't need a work permit. So the language alone is not a unique skill, it must be in combination with a profession. Let's say you are a private banker with experience with Shariah compliant banking (just an example) who speaks both French and Arabic, then they could reasonably argue that this is a unique skill they can't find in the domestic labour market. What I'm saying is it's a combination of your profession and special skills that you could potentially leverage, not just language skills. Mind we are not trying to discourage you at all, just giving a bit of perspective. I would search the online job markets if relevant jobs are available and take it from there.
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Not to shock you but there's already plenty of arabic speakers around with a permit...
So what do you recommend for making my dream a reality ?

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Exactly, especially in the French speaking part of Switzerland I'm afraid, so the French/Arabic combo is an extremely common one, plus there would be huge pool of people in France with these skills too, who don't need a work permit. So the language alone is not a unique skill, it must be in combination with a profession. Let's say you are a private banker with experience with Shariah compliant banking (just an example) who speaks both French and Arabic, then they could reasonably argue that this is a unique skill they can't find in the domestic labour market. What I'm saying is it's a combination of your profession and special skills that you could potentially leverage, not just language skills. Mind we are not trying to discourage you at all, just giving a bit of perspective. I would search the online job markets if relevant jobs are available and take it from there.
I really appreciate your constructive contributions and now I am totally clear on that so the first step is to check those potential professions, is there a website (whether employment or article) mentioning those ?

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So what do you recommend for making my dream a reality ?
Search the net for jobs and start applying
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Hi

One place to start is to monitor the job sites for arabic speaking jobs (ie www.jobs.ch search under keyword 'arabic'). Your husband has some good skills that might be beneficial in Switzerland. It would also be worthwhile starting to learn German preferably and possibly french if living in in the french part is the aim.

It might also be worth researching what companies you and your husband could target for possible work.

Good luck and I wish you every success in your search.
Me & my husband have started monitoring jobs as you recommended and are now looking at it from the angle of unique experience to justify our ability to obtain work permit, is it possible to study german in switzerland and working at the same time for me and him ?

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yes but as per the previous replies i received i must look for unqiue skill/profession which is different from those exsisting in the work place so employers can argue to get me a foregien work permit

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Old 26.06.2010, 14:05
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Do you have a unique skill/profession? What you described in your first post is really common
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Do you have a unique skill/profession? What you described in your first post is really common
What is considered by the swiss job market as a unique skill/profession ? i am good with teaching, translation, french literature, day care of children, etc...but if i know what is in demand i can study for that
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yes but as per the previous replies i received i must look for unqiue skill/profession which is different from those exsisting in the work place so employers can argue to get me a foregien work permit
Basically what you will want to do is find an employer that really wants you.
That way he will try everything to get those work permits for you and will probably succeed. But if he has other choices he won't bother and also wouldn't be able to get that permit for you anyway, as there are others on the labour market with an existing permit.
There is the possibility to study here, and then ask the local administration to work about 20% pensum. But in order to obtain a student visa you'll have to prove that you're able to cover your expenses anyway... so coming here to study and hoping to earn enough on the side will probably not work.
I think it's best to have a long term plan, you need a skill set that makes you easily employable everywhere, also in Switzerland.
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Re: Would there be a demand for me in CH ?

Only research can help you on that. All the things you mentioned though are not in demand. Also if you want to work here, you need a permit and as a non-EU, you will find it very difficult to get one
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What is considered by the swiss job market as a unique skill/profession ? i am good with teaching, translation, french literature, day care of children, etc...but if i know what is in demand i can study for that
All of which are done by people in abundance here, and which qualified people are queueing up to do.

We can't tell you what to study... and even if you could choose whatever we suggested, for someone outside the EU to be accepted it would likely require a high degree of specialisation and experience. You may need to modify your dreams a little... have you thought about another more easily-accessible country that's not as strict perhaps?
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Basically what you will want to do is find an employer that really wants you.
That way he will try everything to get those work permits for you and will probably succeed. But if he has other choices he won't bother and also wouldn't be able to get that permit for you anyway, as there are others on the labour market with an existing permit.
There is the possibility to study here, and then ask the local administration to work about 20% pensum. But in order to obtain a student visa you'll have to prove that you're able to cover your expenses anyway... so coming here to study and hoping to earn enough on the side will probably not work.
I think it's best to have a long term plan, you need a skill set that makes you easily employable everywhere, also in Switzerland.
what is 20% pensum ? what skill set do you propose ? what would be the cost of study ? and living on average in Luzern or Geneva ?

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All of which are done by people in abundance here, and which qualified people are queueing up to do.

We can't tell you what to study... and even if you could choose whatever we suggested, for someone outside the EU to be accepted it would likely require a high degree of specialisation and experience. You may need to modify your dreams a little... have you thought about another more easily-accessible country that's not as strict perhaps?
I believe that nothing is impossible if you invest the necessary time & effort into it and i wouldn't replace switzerland with any other EU country to reside, would you ?

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Re: Would there be a demand for me in CH ?

In case you have not noticed,
There is a recession out there and Switzerland is not immune to the fallout. What OPs are saying is that for the time being, it's hard to get work permits, and many people here on short term work visas have seen these not being renewed. Visa for spouses are hard to get, and even if one has a visa landing a job is not easy.
What is in demand? Mostly I would think technical and engineering with managerial experience and >10 years experience ... a job ad might look like this


"Executive Director of <<SOMETHING>>. Looking for a sharp Executive Director of <<SOMETHING>>. Fortune 500 with public and private experience. Needs to be hardcore....."
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