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Old 21.06.2010, 16:34
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Have you been told not to apply for work in CH ?

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Outofw...52371.html?x=0

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The last thing someone who is unemployed needs to be told is that they shouldn't even apply for the limited number of job openings that are available. But some companies and recruiters are doing just that.
Employment experts say they believe companies are increasingly interested only in applicants who already have a job.
"I think it is more prevalent than it used to be," said Rich Thompson, vice president of learning and performance for Adecco Group North America, the world's largest staffing firm. "I don't have hard numbers, but three out of the last four conversations I've had about openings, this requirement was brought up."

I have not heard about that happening here. However, it seems that many things that start in the US end up here and many companies are international.

We already have companies wanting irrelevant pieces of paper to prove you have done something and if this starts becoming the norm, don't ever lose your job.

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Old 21.06.2010, 16:36
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Re: In the US - Out of work job applicants told not to apply

Add this to my growing list of reasons to despise anyone involved in that 'professional' field known at Human Relations.
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Old 21.06.2010, 16:39
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Re: In the US - Out of work job applicants told not to apply

Are they even legal to lay down such a requirement?
That means they are just interested in Headhunting people rather then recruiting properly
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Human Relations.
Human Resources perhaps...
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Re: In the US - Out of work job applicants told not to apply

I think UBS this policy today
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Old 21.06.2010, 16:45
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Yeah, that.
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Old 21.06.2010, 16:49
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Re: In the US - Out of work job applicants told not to apply

I've always suspected that this was the case i.e its easier to find work when you're in work, but to hear it being discussed as corportate policy is something else. Rather than reducing unemployment figures, all these companies are doing is poaching employees from competitors.

Although unworkable, I think this kind of discrimination should join sex, colour, religion, sexual orientation etc.. as being unreasonable grounds for refusing to hire someone.
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Re: Have you been told not to apply for work in CH ?

When I was looking for a job when my contract has finished, I was always expressing it somehow like this: - yes, I am looking for the job right now, and this is true I do not have any at the moment, but we would not talk if I had one, so if you invited me here ...
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Re: In the US - Out of work job applicants told not to apply

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I've always suspected that this was the case i.e its easier to find work when you're in work, but to hear it being discussed as corportate policy is something else. Rather than reducing unemployment figures, all these companies are doing is poaching employees from competitors.
Well, it is definitely easier to get a better salary, working condition, etc if you are in work, after all, if the offer is not good enough you simply do not take it. And I believe, some companies are eagerly looking at unemployed since their requirements seems to be lower ...
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Old 21.06.2010, 17:04
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Re: Have you been told not to apply for work in CH ?

Here in Switzerland there are less discrimination laws than in the US, so it is very common to specify an age, gender or other aspects that might get you into prison elsewhere. So indirectly we have all been told to not apply if you read those ads... in regards of unemployment hav I heard the same statement from an "upmarket" headhunter: "I only take candidates who are currently employed at reputable companies - not just somebody and definitely nobody I pick up from the street." I was actually employed at a very reputable company back then, matched all other checkboxes he had in terms of age and what do I know... and found that guy so arrogant that I looked elsewhere...
Today everyone can easily and quickly lose his job as well as find new employment - even in the higher levels. So telling a candidate to go away because of his current situation can easily backfire - that guy could find a job at your customer in a month... so I think that a company that acts rudely towards candidates is not exactly doing a smart thing.
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Old 21.06.2010, 17:43
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Re: Have you been told not to apply for work in CH ?

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So telling a candidate to go away because of his current situation can easily backfire - that guy could find a job at your customer in a month...
AKA "don't sh!t on anyone on the way up because you never know who you'll meet on your way down"
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Old 21.06.2010, 17:47
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Re: Have you been told not to apply for work in CH ?

It reminds me of this story
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Old 21.06.2010, 17:50
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"I think it is more prevalent than it used to be," said Rich Thompson, vice president of learning and performance for Adecco Group North America, the world's largest staffing firm. "I don't have hard numbers, but three out of the last four conversations I've had about openings, this requirement was brought up."
Gee, why am I not surprised. Adecco is one of the most sleazy staffing companies on the planet.
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Old 21.06.2010, 20:21
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I think UBS this policy today
And how did you reach that conclusion??? I would have expected that they would have difficulty in attracting good people......

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Old 21.06.2010, 20:24
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Human Resources perhaps...
Or even Human Remains.
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Re: In the US - Out of work job applicants told not to apply

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Or even Human Remains.
Yes, that's what HR stands for in the recruitment world.

HR is fact very much misunderstood. They exist not to assist the employees but to defend the company against employees. They are the managers' watchdogs - and the least productive and one of the most powerful department of any company.
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Yes, that's what HR stands for in the recruitment world.

HR is fact very much misunderstood. They exist not to assist the employees but to defend the company against employees. They are the managers' watchdogs - and the least productive and one of the most powerful department of any company.
It's interesting that the word "resources" has come to replace "staff" or "people" - particularly where I work.

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Old 21.06.2010, 21:05
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Re: Have you been told not to apply for work in CH ?

It definitely seems to be the case, even if unwritten. I found it both in Switzerland and I suspect it here in the UK.
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Re: Have you been told not to apply for work in CH ?

This is unfortunately VERY common the US IT/computing industry, i.e. if you are unemployed they all assume you are "bad" and it's a HUGE uphill battle to get a new job. If this insane mindset is "exported" to other countries now, then you have my humblest apologies!

And to think this was the "career of the future" in the US -- yikes -- you have to "compete" against wage reductions from imported visa holders, jobs are more and more offshored, age discrimination is appallingly bad (if you're over 40 you may as well shoot yourself), you have to keep current with 10 different technologies, and now if you happen to be "between jobs" they act like you're a leper!!
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Old 26.06.2010, 01:54
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Re: Have you been told not to apply for work in CH ?

Well, in the IT-field, you can always be self-employed (provided you have at least one or two handful of clients/projects, to make it halfway credible)

But few other professions offer that "luxury".
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