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Re: unemployment benefit if you GIVE UP job?

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Should migrants in the UK that pay taxes be entitled to benefits?
Why on earth not? You could as well ask "Should migrants in Switzerland that pay taxes be entitled to benefits?"
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Old 18.01.2011, 11:34
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Re: unemployment benefit if you GIVE UP job?

With the crises in the moment it's amasing people quit job without a serious reason, i mean, it should be because of an unsolved problem inside the company, afteral there is many people looking for a job here and can't find and RAV one of these days will punish everybody because of this
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Old 19.01.2011, 15:25
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Why on earth not? You could as well ask "Should migrants in Switzerland that pay taxes be entitled to benefits?"
But in some countries like the UK this is not true.
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Old 19.01.2011, 15:39
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Re: unemployment benefit if you GIVE UP job?

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Actually it is NOT possible to travel and claim benefits because the unemployed person has to present himself at the benefits office of the gemeinde or RAV itself, if not every week, then monthly and is expected to keep appointments and be immediately available for work should anything suitable turn up on the job market. They are also required to make at least 10 job applications per month and provide proof of those applications. Believe me, the system is well controlled.

Perhaps the people you are referring to resign their jobs, travel on money they have saved and then return to claim unemployment benefit till they find a job. And - what's wrong with that?

actually its quite possible, I know 2 people who have done just that, make up some bs about interviews in xxx so can't attend meeting, make up your job applications, job done, no checking, another rav payment, get on plane to oz, dubai, nam etc etc
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Old 19.01.2011, 16:22
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With the crises in the moment
What crisis? In the Swiss job market? Don't think so.

On topic: Just as a cop has heard every possible excuse for speeding before have RAV folks surely heard every possible story why people have been fired or gave up a job. The reason why there is not timespan defined in the law is: The RAV guys have the right to asssess your personal situation - if you have been bullied oout of a job by an abusive boss and the RAV believes your story, you will probably not get a punishment. If you decided that you have enough savings to go on a world trip and then want money as soon as you come back they will probably give you as many months as they can. I believe it is at max 6 months, I know a person who got 3 without payment last year.

All in all a reasonably fair system - but it relys on the abilities of the RAV staff.
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actually its quite possible, I know 2 people who have done just that, make up some bs about interviews in xxx so can't attend meeting, make up your job applications, job done, no checking, another rav payment, get on plane to oz, dubai, nam etc etc
I agree - when I was unemployed I was seen only once every 6 weeks. I had minimal contact with my advisor at other times. In fact I think I had just 2 contacts outside my appointment dates within a year. It is totally possible to just do almost what you like for the majority of the time...provided you keep to your appointments and do your job search to the agreed level
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Well I don't object to someone travelling for a year or so, so long as they pay for it themselves THEN coming back and claiming unemployment benefit until they find a job even if they are using up MY contributions. I do though think that the authorities in Geneva should tighten up their controls if it really is true that people are claiming benefit whilst acually travelling
And just HOW can they claim if they have NOT made a contribution? The Swiss system is quite brutal to be honest. However I am amazed that the Swiss requirements for job search and the frequency of appointments is far less than in England. When I was last unemployed in England I had to 'sign on' every 2 weeks. here it seems its 4 to 8 weeks - far easier to abuse or work the system. As for the number of applications...10 a month its pretty pathetic (if you include specualtive approaches)


What they claim is down to them and their conscience/work ethic/beliefs. YOUR contribution is for YOUR claim if you need to claim that is
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What crisis? In the Swiss job market? Don't think so.

On topic: Just as a cop has heard every possible excuse for speeding before have RAV folks surely heard every possible story why people have been fired or gave up a job. The reason why there is not timespan defined in the law is: The RAV guys have the right to asssess your personal situation - if you have been bullied oout of a job by an abusive boss and the RAV believes your story, you will probably not get a punishment. If you decided that you have enough savings to go on a world trip and then want money as soon as you come back they will probably give you as many months as they can. I believe it is at max 6 months, I know a person who got 3 without payment last year.

All in all a reasonably fair system - but it relys on the abilities of the RAV staff.
would be handy to know if it is 6 months max or 3 months max though
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Old 23.01.2011, 11:57
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Re: unemployment benefit if you GIVE UP job?

This thread has been very useful. I can't wait for my RAV funded 6 month trip around Asia. Is there a special way I need to write my resignation letter? What's Swiss-German for "mobbed"?
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Old 23.01.2011, 14:47
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Re: unemployment benefit if you GIVE UP job?

Gemobbt ?

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And just HOW can they claim if they have NOT made a contribution? The Swiss system is quite brutal to be honest.
What they claim is down to them and their conscience/work ethic/beliefs. YOUR contribution is for YOUR claim if you need to claim that is
Presumably they WILL have made contributions before travelling. And yes, I agree, the Swiss system I also found to be brutal. I once forgot an appointment and was penalized with no money that month.
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Re: unemployment benefit if you GIVE UP job?

I have just learned (from employment office) of a Swiss law helping those who are loosing their job. Does anyone know if this is really true?

If you have been given a:
  • layoff notice,
  • been fired or
  • you have resigned your job
then any time(s) during the TERMINATION PERIOD, if you produce a doctors excuse showing you were sick or unable to work, then the termination period is extended for a full month that the sickness occurred.

For example:
You job terminated for any reason and you have a 3 to 6 month termination period. If you are sick (with doctors excuse) during any time during this 3-6 month termination period (even if it’s only for a few days of missed work) then the entire month is excluded from the termination period. This means that the termination period is extended by one month.

See : Art. 336c1
http://www.admin.ch/ch/d/sr/220/a336c.html
(german only)

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Old 25.01.2011, 21:13
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Re: unemployment benefit if you GIVE UP job?

It isn't a law to help people who are losing their job, it's a law to protect people who are ill during notice.
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Re: unemployment benefit if you GIVE UP job?

It's a law to protect people who are ill during notice when they are losing their job...
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