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Helvti Diner: new fancy Zurich diner-style burger joint

I have always loved this location, which is the one-time Tramstation Restaurant, though the food has rarely been of note. Now apparently the proprieters of Helvetia have taken over and turned this into Helvti Diner. Of course, the prices will make you cry: Sfr 12.50 for a milkshake. Zueritipp seemed lukewarm on it. Somehow, I don't think this is the replacement for my beloved Dog n Suds from home. Anyone tried out Helvti Diner yet?
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Old 09.10.2011, 16:11
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Re: Helvti Diner: new fancy Zurich diner-style burger joint

Answering my own question, therealpickygourmet's review says wait until the kinks in service are ironed out and stick to a cheap burger and load up on toppings.

Still looking for other opinions in case anyone's been yet...
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Old 09.10.2011, 17:23
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Re: Helvti Diner: new fancy Zurich diner-style burger joint

I've not been (although I know someone who has) but I can confirm that they use "proper" Cheddar cheese on the burgers.
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Old 09.10.2011, 17:37
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Re: Helvti Diner: new fancy Zurich diner-style burger joint

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Answering my own question, therealpickygourmet's review says wait until the kinks in service are ironed out and stick to a cheap burger and load up on toppings.

Still looking for other opinions in case anyone's been yet...
Interesting that the picky gourmet described everything else in detail but the burger...particularly since he/she/they ordered the wagyu which would seem to indicate that, if not terrible, it wasn't worth mentioning. Cindy's diner does a decent burger, but that's up on the highway, not in the part of town where you make a reservation for a diner and spend 50chf for a burger (though Cindy's isn't all that cheap, either at 9 chf for a tiny kiddie burger).

Do they offer breakfast all day? That's one part of the diner culture Europe always leaves off and it's too bad as it's the best part of most diners. It's probably not profitable enough though.
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Old 09.10.2011, 17:54
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Re: Helvti Diner: new fancy Zurich diner-style burger joint

Not interested. I can get the Goodmans burger plus a serious fois gras/carpaccio of beef starter for 36chfs for Business Lunch menu. Their price point is too high for a diner, however fancy. Goodmans is just too sharp and their service is absolutely best in class compared with a place which "needs to work out the kinks".
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Re: Helvti Diner: new fancy Zurich diner-style burger joint

I have only read newspaper reports about this place, but the 20minutes feature had a bottle of ketchup in the picture and that makes me think the place is doomed:
I don't need to spend big bucks on something that will taste equal to a McDonalds burger once I add the ketchup...

If people want to spend a lot of money going out, they won't buy a burger - however fancy it may look like (I'm not sure even I could taste the difference between a high-end burger and one made from PrixGarantie meat).

If they want quick and cheap, they go to NewPoint or McD. Or some Asian take-away place.
If they want to splash out cash, they go to a proper (ethnic or not) restaurant.

But a "Deluxe" burger? That's a curiosity you try out once, maybe.
Unfortunately, no place can make a living in the long run from "try it out once" customers.
That just does not work.
I'm happy being proved wrong when the place is still here same time next year.
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Old 09.10.2011, 18:25
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Re: Helvti Diner: new fancy Zurich diner-style burger joint

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I have only read newspaper reports about this place, but the 20minutes feature had a bottle of ketchup in the picture and that makes me think the place is doomed:
I don't need to spend big bucks on something that will taste equal to a McDonalds burger once I add the ketchup...

If people want to spend a lot of money going out, they won't buy a burger - however fancy it may look like (I'm not sure even I could taste the difference between a high-end burger and one made from PrixGarantie meat).

If they want quick and cheap, they go to NewPoint or McD. Or some Asian take-away place.
If they want to splash out cash, they go to a proper (ethnic or not) restaurant.

But a "Deluxe" burger? That's a curiosity you try out once, maybe.
Unfortunately, no place can make a living in the long run from "try it out once" customers.
That just does not work.
I'm happy being proved wrong when the place is still here same time next year.
My friend has a place in Lugano, an Irish pub that also serves food, specialising in specialty burgers. He's been around four years or so, and is doing quite well.

Tom
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Old 09.10.2011, 18:34
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Re: Helvti Diner: new fancy Zurich diner-style burger joint

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I have only read newspaper reports about this place, but the 20minutes feature had a bottle of ketchup in the picture and that makes me think the place is doomed:
I don't need to spend big bucks on something that will taste equal to a McDonalds burger once I add the ketchup...

If people want to spend a lot of money going out, they won't buy a burger - however fancy it may look like (I'm not sure even I could taste the difference between a high-end burger and one made from PrixGarantie meat).

If they want quick and cheap, they go to NewPoint or McD. Or some Asian take-away place.
If they want to splash out cash, they go to a proper (ethnic or not) restaurant.

But a "Deluxe" burger? That's a curiosity you try out once, maybe.
Unfortunately, no place can make a living in the long run from "try it out once" customers.
That just does not work.
I'm happy being proved wrong when the place is still here same time next year.
Wow. So much rubbish, so few words. Gourmet burgers are the West's most profitable restaurant industry. Go to London, there's one on every street corner.

Here's one. They've got almost 50 locations now. And the price range goes up from there. And in a city like Zurich where they all worship Americana and have the price sensitivity of a Russian Tsar, I'm shocked there aren't more of these places. But like you say, Heinz doesn't spell true gourmet (although there's nought wrong with it) and in my opinion they haven't quite hit home with the price point for the style of the restaurant.
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Old 09.10.2011, 18:38
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Re: Helvti Diner: new fancy Zurich diner-style burger joint

If they've really nailed the atmosphere (a big if) and the milkshakes are up to scratch, then I'd go. I don't fancy CHF30 or whatever it was for a burger - but CHF30 to close my eyes, sip on a milkshake and pretend I'm sitting in a diner back home? Yeah, I'd pay that. Especially this time of year.
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