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Halal & Kosher; methods, cooking and restaurants in the Zürich area

here some info about Halal/Kosher restaurants and Halal/Kosher cooking combined

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HALAL

Arab cuisine
- Cèdre Bellevue
- Cèdre Badenerstrasse
- Palme de Beirut Bertastrasse
- Sultan Wipkingen
- Noon, Niederdorf nr Bellevue

Turkish cuisine
- Manesse, nr Manesseplatz
- Marmara in Rüschlikon at the Thalwil border beside the lake

KOSHER

the Jewish restaurant nr Bhf Enge
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"Olive Garden" Kosher restaurant

Lavaterstrasse 33
8002 Zürich

http://www.olivegarden.ch/

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Most food-oils and sauces contain pork-fat or fat which was produced out of animals which were not slaughtered in accordance with Halal / Kosher rules and regulations. Add to this that vegetarian restaurants to all likelihood apply methods which a not kosher/halal.

PS: vegetarian does not necessarily mean Halal/Kosher, due to ingredients used

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If alcohol is NOT used for the cooking-processes the food can well be Halal.

To give you another example. There is a Steak-House in Tel Aviv near the beach almost on the road which leads to Yaffa. If you take the menu and first look through the meals, you second look through the beverages and BEHIND the spirits, you land up on a page with some four or five pork meals. The restaurant is Kosher nevertheless as the pork meals are prepared in a small separate kitchen ! And will be served in dishes not used to serve the other meals or to other customers.

Back to the Arab side. You may realize that even Christian Arabs almost never use wines or spirits for cooking.

Interesting is that in Western Europe many Arab spices discreetly carry a seal on the bottom which says "controlée par le Haut-Rabbinat de Paris"

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Cedre certainly isn't halal. I'd be shocked if any of the restaurants you mention are Halal.




They all in regard to the cooking ARE and MUST BE Halal. As they otherwise would be doomed. I suggest you look at how things get served. the waiters/waitresses will almost never serve the meals and the wine at the same time / together, but always in separate goings. In case of Cèdre and Palme de Beirut and Sultan, the two things even get served by two different persons. Go there and observe carefully and you will see. The managers of Cèdre and Palme are Christians, but have to care about the part of their clientele which is strictly Muslim. The chief at Sultan is a Tunisian Muslim, who however serves some of the best wines all around, but knows how to do business

To give you another example. ALL airplanes of Alitalia enroute to Arab countries (and Israel) only serve full Halal (Kosher) meals, but excel with good wines. And THIS is a reason why some particular airplanes of the fleet are reserved for those operations. Believe me, the Alitalia board service is praiseworthy anyway and on those operations really superb









No Arab or Turkish restaurant will use alcohol for cooking, as this would make life for the place impossible with strictly practicing Muslim guests.

At the other hand, wines from Lebanon and the Maghreb (Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia) are among the best wines in the world. And the Tunisian Thibarine Liqueur and the Lebanese Arak (Raki in Turkish, roughly the same as my Arak in Arabic) are superb specialities. And wines from Egypt in the past 30 years have vastly improved. Jordanian wines are from hills just to the east of East Jerusalem. Most Arab countries have quite good beers, like Stella in Egypt which is still produced just as the Belgian Stella.

Over to Turkey. Turkey is producer of marvellous wines and this also applies to Turkish Northern Cyprus where they also produce Cypriot Whisky which in fact is rather comparable to Southern Comfort

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Re: Halal & Kosher; methods, cooking and restaurants in the Zürich area

The following link shows what the Cèdre is all about

http://www.libanesisch.ch/home.htm

All strict Muslims can be sure that the cooking is done in a Halal way, but non-strictists can enjoy the excellent wines of Lebanon in its entirety

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and under

http://www.palmedebeirut.ch/

the Palme de Beirut shows a nice video show, with beautiful pictures of Beirut

while this link explains the Lebanese cuisine

http://www.palmedebeirut.ch/libanonkueche.html

interesting is the remark about NOT having "sauces". Why not ? Simply because most sauces are done with milk/cream and the combination of milk/cream with meat is not Halal

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Maghreb & Mashreek combined ?

Usually you have to make a choice between either side of the Cyrenaika, but this restaurant combines the culinary pleasures from Morocco over to Lebanon and Jordan

http://www.restaurant-sultan.ch/Esse...%2BTrinken.htm


also interesting is the following, very charming place

http://www.maison-blunt.ch/index.cfm?Page=A05



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How close are Turks and Arabs ? Not very close and linguistically wide apart. But culturally and in culinary things very close. The best Turkish restaurant in Zürich is shown here

http://restaurantmanesse.ch/pdf/speisekarte.pdf

which can be highly recommended. The BellyDancing performances of Friday and Saturday evening are quite nice also

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The second Turkish restaurant in the area is shown here

http://www.restaurantbodrum.ch/

which is a restaurant with some emphasis on fish, and in summer at good weather, to sit in their garden restaurant, enjoy a Turkish fish speciality and drinking an excellent Turkish wine, in combination with a direct view onto the lake, is absolutely tremendous
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Halal ? Halal in spite of wines and spirits ?

Get to the countries of the Arab World, where in most countries, possibly with some restrictions, the consumption of alcoholic beverages IS perfectly legal and part of the way of live of many, at least in urban areas --- while the consumption of pork either is illegal or at least regarded as unpleasant
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