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Where to watch the movie - Mr. Jones?

Hello~ do you know where to watch Mr. Jones (2019)? It is not available on Netflix and Amazon as I am staying in Switzerland...
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Old 28.12.2020, 07:59
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Re: Where to watch the movie - Mr. Jones?

As far as I can se you have two options: You can use a VPN service to indicate that you are in the US or you can download a copy from a torrent site.

Regarding the second option, I donít know details on the legality of using torrent sites in Switzerland, however, from posts that I have read before, my understanding is that if it is for your own consumption, then it is not illegal, but please donít use this as a recommendation, Iím sure more learned members can provide more insight.

Ps, thanks for highlighting what looks like a great movie!
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As far as I can se you have two options: You can use a VPN service to indicate that you are in the US or you can download a copy from a torrent site.

Regarding the second option, I donít know details on the legality of using torrent sites in Switzerland, however, from posts that I have read before, my understanding is that if it is for your own consumption, then it is not illegal, but please donít use this as a recommendation, Iím sure more learned members can provide more insight.

Ps, thanks for highlighting what looks like a great movie!
In Switzerland we pay a tax on all recording material. This ranges from cassette tapes to high speed SSD chips. These monies are intended to be used to compensate the creators of the recorded material.

Therefore recording something for your own person use is not illegal.

A policy that deserves a rethink, but for the moment thatís the way it is.
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Old 28.12.2020, 08:51
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In Switzerland we pay a tax on all recording material. This ranges from cassette tapes to high speed SSD chips. These monies are intended to be used to compensate the creators of the recorded material.

Therefore recording something for your own person use is not illegal.
Does that then mean the use of torrent sites is not illegal? Is downloading onto some kind of memory device considered Ďrecordingí?
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Does that then mean the use of torrent sites is not illegal? Is downloading onto some kind of memory device considered Ďrecordingí?
If itís for your personal use, yes.
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Re: Where to watch the movie - Mr. Jones?

I have an American iTunes account linked to my credit card there...do you have one as well? This is how I watch TV shows / movies for the most part outside of Prime/Netflix/Sky.
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Re: Where to watch the movie - Mr. Jones?

If you want the legal option:
- download using a torrent site. Disable uploading or limit uploads to 0kbps. You pay for this in your taxes, and the artists/providers get the money.


If you want the grey area option:
- use a VPN to bypass the georestrictions (usually a breach of the T&C of the provider, definitely is for Netflix and Prime video). They most likely won't ban, sue or fine you - but just remember this isn't allowed.

This is also a moral grey area, as providers are paid based on the region you are based in... so using a UK/US netflix account means you bypass the agreements the providers have with the artists for Switzerland

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If you want the legal option:
- download using a torrent site. Disable uploading or limit uploads to 0kbps. You pay for this in your taxes, and the artists/providers get the money.


If you want the grey area option:
- use a VPN to bypass the georestrictions (usually a breach of the T&C of the provider, definitely is for Netflix and Prime video). They most likely won't ban, sue or fine you - but just remember this isn't allowed.

This is also a moral grey area, as providers are paid based on the region you are based in... so using a UK/US netflix account means you bypass the agreements the providers have with the artists for Switzerland
Uploading is illegal here in switzerland ,so if you are using torrent, you have to block the upload, or look out for warez forums, where you can get links
from file hosters.
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Thank you very much!!!
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I have an American iTunes account linked to my credit card there...do you have one as well? This is how I watch TV shows / movies for the most part outside of Prime/Netflix/Sky.
Hello Susie-Q, thank you very much!!! I have forgotten my itunes account and finally found it there! The name of the film becomes "Red Secrets: Im Fadenkreuz Stalins", which is a German version! >_<
Anyway, I am so glad to have found it and I can learn German.. haha...
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In Switzerland we pay a tax on all recording material... These monies are intended to be used to compensate the creators of the recorded material.
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You pay for this in your taxes, and the artists/providers get the money.
If only it really worked like this. My wife is a recording artist. You can find her albums on Spotify, YouTube, and multiple other sites all over the web. She didn't upload them thereówhy would she give away her IP for nothing? And her albums have been downloaded thousands of times, without payment. She has never received any payment whatsover from Spotify nor from any fund financed by purchase taxes.

How would the government keep track of what's being downloaded and who should be paid? That idea is just unworkable.

As a self-employed musician, my wife hasn't receive a single franc of support throughout the pandemic, either. She's had to cancel an entire concert tour, having already paid for promotion, etc.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that the artist will ultimately be compensated when you download their material. It may be legal, but it's not fair.
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And her albums have been downloaded thousands of times, without payment. She has never received any payment whatsover from Spotify nor from any fund financed by purchase taxes.]
Can she not contact Spotify and get paid?
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Re: Where to watch the movie - Mr. Jones?

Spotify pays about 0.3-0.4 cents per stream. . Perhaps they don't pay below a certain amount.
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Spotify pays about 0.3-0.4 cents per stream. . Perhaps they don't pay below a certain amount.
Exactly.
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If only it really worked like this. My wife is a recording artist. You can find her albums on Spotify, YouTube, and multiple other sites all over the web. She didn't upload them thereówhy would she give away her IP for nothing? And her albums have been downloaded thousands of times, without payment. She has never received any payment whatsover from Spotify nor from any fund financed by purchase taxes.
I don't work for Spotify, but I am in the music distribution business. It's not clear to me how your wife could be on Spotify without a record label deal or at least being with a DSP (digital service provider - like CD Baby, TuneCore or AWAL - who provide a distribution service for solo artists).

Is she with such a service?
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Hello~ do you know where to watch Mr. Jones (2019)? It is not available on Netflix and Amazon as I am staying in Switzerland...
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I don't work for Spotify, but I am in the music distribution business. It's not clear to me how your wife could be on Spotify without a record label deal or at least being with a DSP (digital service provider - like CD Baby, TuneCore or AWAL - who provide a distribution service for solo artists).

Is she with such a service?
She's released albums through three different labels, including Warner. I'll look into it, but I suspect the labels receive and keep the streaming income. I don't recall seeing anything in her contracts that automatically authorised the label to add the album to Spotify.

But the fact remains, that in my wife's case at least, the artist doesn't receive anything from streams or downloads... (even setting Spotify aside).
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She's released albums through three different labels, including Warner. I'll look into it, but I suspect the labels receive and keep the streaming income. I don't recall seeing anything in her contracts that automatically authorised the label to add the album to Spotify.

But the fact remains, that in my wife's case at least, the artist doesn't receive anything from streams or downloads... (even setting Spotify aside).
There's very often a minimum threshold that royalties have to reach to get the quarterly payment. While this is usually rolled over and you'll get it once you do reach the threshold, it wouldn't surprise me if a big label 'absorbed' it claiming fixed costs (the smaller DSPs don't do this - you get it all eventually).

Certainly check with Warner (and the other labels). I'd also be interested in the YouTube uploads, particularly who uploaded them (was it the labels?), what sort of viewing figures they get, and whether they've been monetized by content ID (there'll be a copyright/publisher notice in the description). It's possible you could claim them yourself, but YouTube only start paying revenue after a few tens of thousands of views (and at least 1000 subscribers).
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