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Old 13.07.2007, 09:20
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I've been to the Hooter's in Interlaken twice. First time ordered the cheese steak- leme just say that one should never order cheese steak outside of Philly. Highly disappointed.

Second time what I ordered was better- even let my man have the better viewing seat

For the price, it's not that bad


Can't go wrong with spicy chicken sauce. For my money, Philly cheessteaks are indeed the best in Philly. I'm sayin' not even NY, Jersey, friggin' cherry hill. No good.

Who's got your favorite Steak in Philly?
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Went there last night for dinner. I ordered a foot long steak and cheese.... and it was GREAT. I've never been to a subway with real fresh ingredients till yesterday. Fresh bread, fresh cheese, and fresh meat. The only thing lacking is greek-style pepperoncini's and the cheese selection was surprisingly small. Nonetheless chevre cheese made my steak and cheese excellent. Two thumbs up and I plan to become a regular.

It cost about 17 CHF for the specialty sandwich in full size, but thats really not so bad considering the cost of ingredients. The 6 inch version was about 10 CHF.
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Went there last night for dinner. I ordered a foot long steak and cheese.... and it was GREAT. I've never been to a subway with real fresh ingredients till yesterday. Fresh bread, fresh cheese, and fresh meat. The only thing lacking is greek-style pepperoncini's and the cheese selection was surprisingly small. Nonetheless chevre cheese made my steak and cheese excellent. Two thumbs up and I plan to become a regular.

It cost about 17 CHF for the specialty sandwich in full size, but thats really not so bad considering the cost of ingredients. The 6 inch version was about 10 CHF.
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Okay, Mum'll be over on Saturday, gotta fetch her from HB anyway. So... Subway, heeeeere's Johnny!!!
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talking about Subway, they just opened one near the selnau station. Its looks quite nice from outside. I will have to try it one of these days.
where is SELNAU?
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where is SELNAU?
it's in the capital, Zurich
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it's in the capital, Zurich
It is the capital of Zürich? I thought Zürich was the captial of Zürich.


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Ended up working late so decided to try Subway on the way home around 21.30, surprisingly it was still open and I got a foot long steak and cheese on honey oat with sweet onion sauce. This teamed with a 3 pack of cookies came to 20.20. While a tad expensive, the food was pretty good and no different to Subway back home.

The only downside about the location - it is not somewhere you can quickly park up and run to unless your on a motorbike
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I have seen a sub way about to open in Zurich. Dont remember the exact spot but I saw it !! check subays website for more details
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I have seen a sub way about to open in Zurich. Dont remember the exact spot but I saw it !! check subays website for more details
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Ended up working late so decided to try Subway on the way home around 21.30, surprisingly it was still open and I got a foot long steak and cheese on honey oat with sweet onion sauce. This teamed with a 3 pack of cookies came to 20.20. While a tad expensive, the food was pretty good and no different to Subway back home.
Saturday 13.00 in I went, had two KaPos (Kantonspolizei) in front of me who went for a footlong Chicken Teriyaki and Steak 'n Cheese respectively. Real Swissies, you guessed it, they went for the gherkins

Got myself a Oregano and Parmesan footlong Steak 'n Cheese and YES! they had jalapenos
A footlong goes for 16.30 SFr, which translates to 9.82 euros, 9% more expensive than the previously mentioned 9 euro in Germany. Not outrageously more expensive considering this is Switzerland.
Down to the Schanzengraben to wolf it down. Heck, it was an ugly sight, even the pigeons didn't dare to traipse closer while the Beast was feeding

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The only downside about the location - it is not somewhere you can quickly park up and run to unless your on a motorbike
http://map.search.ch/zuerich/sihlstr.99
If coming from Gessnerallee (it's a one-way street from HB), continue past the red lights for about 50 meters, there's some parking spots next to the new Stock Exchange on Selnaustrasse.
If coming across the Sihlbrücke, hit a right at the lights for the same spot.
Lock your car, there's a day center for junkies in the building right between the EWZ and the gelateria on the corner.

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where is SELNAU?
Selnau's the underground trainstation in the red circle, S4 (Sihlbrugg) and S10 (Uetlibergbahn) stop there, first stop from HB (1 minute), 4x per hour at 08, 18, 38, 58. Both start from platforms 1 and 2 located directly under the front of HB/Schweizerhof.
When exiting at Selnau station, walk back in the direction of HB, soon as you emerge aboveground, on your right, blissss
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A footlong goes for 16.30 SFr, which translates to 9.82 euros, 9% more expensive than the previously mentioned 9 euro in Germany.

For 9 Euro you get a footlong with double cheese and double meat in Germany. So it's more like twice as expensive in Switzerland. I would NEVER pay that much, sorry. The insane prices were the reason why they went broke on their first attempt in Zurich a couple of years ago - I'm willing to bet that it's going to be the same thing this time around.
I for myself would rather drive to Lörrach to get a sub than eat in Basel, if they had those prices here.
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For 9 Euro you get a footlong with double cheese and double meat in Germany. So it's more like twice as expensive in Switzerland. I would NEVER pay that much, sorry. The insane prices were the reason why they went broke on their first attempt in Zurich a couple of years ago - I'm willing to bet that it's going to be the same thing this time around.
I for myself would rather drive to Lörrach to get a sub than eat in Basel, if they had those prices here.
Subway are very expensive for what you get in the UK too. The only way you get good value is if you go for the 'sub of the day'.

I wouldn't compare the price against other countries but against competing food options in the same country. Switzerland has incredibly expensive restaurant food so just because the Swiss sub is much more pricey than in Germany doesn't mean that it's going to fail. The Swiss are also generally a lot more tolerant of high prices.
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I wouldn't compare the price against other countries but against competing food options in the same country. Switzerland has incredibly expensive restaurant food so just because the Swiss sub is much more pricey than in Germany doesn't mean that it's going to fail. The Swiss are also generally a lot more tolerant of high prices.
Agreed - so let's compare the 16.50.- to what you get in other fast-food places in Switzerland. And it's still insane. For 10.50 I get a whole menu at McDonald's, for 11.00 I get a whole menu at Burger King, and not just one sandwich. The sub plus a drink plus a cookie or a chips will be more than 20 Fr. per person or 80 Fr. for a 4-person family.

16.50.- is the price range of a regular noon menu at a NORMAL restaurant with high quality food. For 16.- I can also get Pizza delivered to my place.
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Old 15.07.2007, 19:32
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For 9 Euro you get a footlong with double cheese and double meat in Germany. So it's more like twice as expensive in Switzerland. I would NEVER pay that much, sorry. The insane prices were the reason why they went broke on their first attempt in Zurich a couple of years ago - I'm willing to bet that it's going to be the same thing this time around.
I for myself would rather drive to Lörrach to get a sub than eat in Basel, if they had those prices here.
Oops, didn't remember it was for double cheese and double meat

Anyway, it wouldn't go as far as betting on it they'd fail. They fill a considerable hole in the market, just like Burger King (grilled burger purists will disagree, but a Whopper is still a big step up from Mickey D's best).
What sets Subway apart from the sealed cheese/ham/salami with obligatory gherkin is definitely the new toppings like Teriyaki Chicken or Steak 'n Cheese (sorry, meatballs on bread make me go ) and most off all TOASTED You shoulda seen the faces light up on those KaPos when asked: no more soggy baguette sammiches! crunchy! molten cheese that doesn't stick to your palate like McD's cheesebugga! Blissss!

What's more, the location, while not prime, is still good: lotsa walk-in clientele: office jocks, shoppers (Löwenstrasse/Uraniastrasse) during the day (point in case: the two KaPos and I'm sure the StaPos won't be far behind), near public transportation nexus Stauffacher (2min walk from there), some pubs like the Helvti, the Sugar Lounge, the Paddy O'Reilly's, Kaufleuten and the Metropole cinema on Stauffacher nearby for the evening
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Then there's demographics and economy: a lot more foreigners have moved to Zurich in recent years. The economy is roaring along just nicely thank you. That means: high disposable income, and not moaning about forking over some cash to get something that a lot of those travel-happy people know from abroad. Word-of-mouth is also a factor in there. I told a few of my Swiss work colleagues about it and they were excited. Others came back with "what?! you didn't know?? heck, that's what you get for moving to the countryside"

Sure I won't fork out 16.30 on a regular basis, but when I find myself aching for a meal that lasts me hours, knowing that Subway is only a 1min ride away from HB or a 2min walk from Stauffacher, I won't hesitate to go there if that's what I fancy.
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Agreed - so let's compare the 16.50.- to what you get in other fast-food places in Switzerland. And it's still insane. For 10.50 I get a whole menu at McDonald's, for 11.00 I get a whole menu at Burger King, and not just one sandwich. The sub plus a drink plus a cookie or a chips will be more than 20 Fr. per person or 80 Fr. for a 4-person family.

16.50.- is the price range of a regular noon menu at a NORMAL restaurant with high quality food. For 16.- I can also get Pizza delivered to my place.
I think it's comparing apples to oranges: McD/BK cater to families (gotta hook'em while they're young) and the youth hip-hop crowd. Subway doesn't have a lot of space to sit down and eat (size in ZH is similar to what I've seen in Whitehorse and Vancouver: tiny). It's more for singles/couples/working people, which you hardly ever see inside aforementioned burger joints, but will find at the sandwich stands in Coop/Migros/HB. The price is indeed equivalent to a lunch allowance, so not out of bound for said people.

And sorry, 16.50 buys you a SchniPo at your average restaurant, not at the mid- to high-end ones. In the mid-end ones, like the Brasserie in HB, 16.50 buys you Hörnli mit Ghackets (elbow pasta and mince meat, a childhood fave and acc. to me Mum, poor people's food)

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Sure I won't fork out 16.30 on a regular basis, but when I find myself aching for a meal that lasts me hours, knowing that Subway is only a 1min ride away from HB or a 2min walk from Stauffacher, I won't hesitate to go there if that's what I fancy.
If this were Burger King or McDonald's, I wouldn't worry. But Subway has this franchise system in Europe where each store is run independently. The owner shed's a ton of money to buy the franchise rights and has to build the store himself. They need a considerable turnover to stay afloat.

I just read an article in a German newspaper about subway in Germany - citing several restaurants that already went broke. One of the owners said that they have to charge so much because they had to put so much money in and because Subway insists on them buying high quality ingredients (which is certainly good for the customers). The owner they cited had put in 200'000 something Euros for the restaurant - he went broke after half a year and had to sell the place for 20'000, kissing his pension money goodbye. Putting your pension plan in a Subway restaurant isn't a good idea - that's his own fault. But he said that because of the high prices, the number of customers is relatively low, resulting in lots of broke restaurants.

Sure, I'd occasionally shed the 20 bucks for a full menu - but certainly not regularly. But regular customers keep those restaurants afloat.
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Agreed - so let's compare the 16.50.- to what you get in other fast-food places in Switzerland. And it's still insane. For 10.50 I get a whole menu at McDonald's, for 11.00 I get a whole menu at Burger King, and not just one sandwich. The sub plus a drink plus a cookie or a chips will be more than 20 Fr. per person or 80 Fr. for a 4-person family.

16.50.- is the price range of a regular noon menu at a NORMAL restaurant with high quality food. For 16.- I can also get Pizza delivered to my place.
Well, my local subway (in Belfast) costs about 50% more than a McDonalds meal for a footlong sub. Coincidentally, the sub costs the same price as a chicken fillet burger, chips and 0.5l coke at the nearby chipshop too - but it doesn't seem to affect their trade.

As for getting a regular menu for 16.50 in a standard Zuerich restaurant, I can't think of any places in Zuerich where you could get a full meal for that price. 20CHF would be an absolute minimum for a full lunch. Even my canteen at work which was subsidised usually came in at around 18CHF for lunch (meat & 2 veg, small salad, coke).

Subway is just plain expensive, even for fast food, but it's good enough that most people will pay the extra price. It's comparitively no more expensive in Zuerich than it is in the UK and given the Swiss willingness to pay high prices I can't see that 16.50 for a footlong sub is going to sink them.

By the way, if anyone is looking for a good value quality sub there's a place near Central that makes very good subs and sandwiches for decent prices. It's open til around 2-3am as well.
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Are the fillings different on the continent than in the UK because when I read that it's expensive because of the high quality of the ingredients, I'm wondering if we are talking about the same place which fills your butty with processed cheese, reformed ham and the likes in the UK? It does not hold a candle to the likes of Pret a Manger in my opinion.

Not being sarcie, genuine question.
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If this were Burger King or McDonald's, I wouldn't worry. But Subway has this franchise system in Europe where each store is run independently. The owner shed's a ton of money to buy the franchise rights and has to build the store himself. They need a considerable turnover to stay afloat.

I just read an article in a German newspaper about subway in Germany - citing several restaurants that already went broke. One of the owners said that they have to charge so much because they had to put so much money in and because Subway insists on them buying high quality ingredients (which is certainly good for the customers). The owner they cited had put in 200'000 something Euros for the restaurant - he went broke after half a year and had to sell the place for 20'000, kissing his pension money goodbye. Putting your pension plan in a Subway restaurant isn't a good idea - that's his own fault. But he said that because of the high prices, the number of customers is relatively low, resulting in lots of broke restaurants.

Sure, I'd occasionally shed the 20 bucks for a full menu - but certainly not regularly. But regular customers keep those restaurants afloat.
OK, didn't know that. Apologies, and I HEAR YOU!

I've seen Pizza Hut opposite HB come and go... Not my kinda place, but still shitty, in the end
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