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Hey everyone,

I have been wearing glasses for 20 years now and I am sick of it !

I decided to take an apointment for checking if I can have eyes surgery or not. The "judgement day" is on February 1st. I cannot wait.

I have Hypermetropia and was wondering if any of you guys already had this eyes surgery for getting rid of your glasses or contact lenses ???
How has your life changed ? Did you notice some undesirable side effects ?

There are different technics using lasers, the one I have been recommended would cost (in total) around CHF 6'000.-.


Well, take care and do not forget to clean your glasses
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Re: Eyes surgery, who got it ?

Laser eye surgery in Switzerland

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Re: Eyes surgery, who got it ?

it costs 6000...
you could work that out as 10 pairs of glasses, or.. never having "foggy vision" when you come in out of the cold, being able to see while swimming, not having to remember where you left your glasses, being able to see in the shower.. et alia

This month I have met 2 people, in separate situations, who have had this done recently. Both (just) on either side of 40. They both said it was the best decision.
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it costs 6000...
you could work that out as 10 pairs of glasses, or.. never having "foggy vision" when you come in out of the cold, being able to see while swimming, not having to remember where you left your glasses, being able to see in the shower.. et alia

This month I have met 2 people, in separate situations, who have had this done recently. Both (just) on either side of 40. They both said it was the best decision.

Great, I totally agree with you. I ride my motorbike very often and cannot stand having my pair of sunglasses in my jacket and have to switch pairs when the sun goes away... It is only one example...

I know a bunch of people who got the eye surgery for myopia and all say they are very happy with it and it has clearly changed their lifes.

However, I found no one who had it for hypermetropia. That is why I am wondering if it is similar to the other surgeries.
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Re: Eyes surgery, who got it ?

I had it made more than 10 years ago and was very, very happy with it. Told everyone 'you should get it, it's a life changer, etc'.

About 3 months ago my vision started degrading in one eye to the point I couldn't read my computer screen, street signs, etc, on one eye. Turns out I have a condition called Keratoconus which is progressive and leads to blindness on the eye which can only be corrected with a cornea transplant. Lasik is known to cause this. Dec 9 I did an (experimental, so no insurance) surgery called Collagen Cross Linking which stops the progression so eye glasses can be used then to have normal vision.

An ambulatory surgery, they do over 100 per year at my hospital, most without a problem - but over the weekend at home things turned for the worst: my eye started hurting. I had an infection, they had me hospitalized for 10 days and I probably will have scaring left in my eye which will affect my vision regardless if the Keratoconus stabilizes and I can correct with eyeglasses. And I will have to be at least 3, 4 months waiting for the eye to stabilize, so no eyeglasses and makes me much more tired at work, daily life, etc, as I only have one good eye to do everything on the computer... Also depressive to be quite young (33) and know my other eye is also at risk.

When I did the surgery this long term risk was not know, now doctors told me patients are monitored for cornea sickness to know if the surgery can put them at risk of Keratoconus. Still, apparently one in a few 1000's lasik patients will develop this in their lifetime (apparently, long term effects still not known).

But my point are:
- you should ask about this risk, understand it, and be screened.
- you are messing with your perfectly fine, healthy eyes. If you are not a pilot or model or whatever, nothing wrong with using eye glasses or contacts besides the hassle. Long term (5, 10+ years) effects of lasik still not 100% understood. Google for it on the web, as always with the web a lot of spam, garbage, but sort through that you will find serious reports on the risks...
So if I where me 10 years ago, I would not do this. One of the reasons I did it was because of sports and scuba diving, which where problematic with glasses or lenses. Now I do neither...

Anyway, if you want to do it, consider another country (as with so many topics with Switzerland...). Much cheaper. If you speak Spanish the clinic in my hometown in Colombia is one of the best eye clinics in Latinamerica. I called about this problem, they understood this 'experimental' surgery invented in Switzerland and do it daily, for example. Etc. But of course, if you can afford it here in Switzerland is the most comfortable and a good level of care.

Google and read about it as well, besides asking the doctor at a private clinic 'selling' you this... Best of luck!
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Hey everyone,

I have been wearing glasses for 20 years now and I am sick of it !

I decided to take an apointment for checking if I can have eyes surgery or not. The "judgement day" is on February 1st. I cannot wait.

I have Hypermetropia and was wondering if any of you guys already had this eyes surgery for getting rid of your glasses or contact lenses ???
How has your life changed ? Did you notice some undesirable side effects ?

There are different technics using lasers, the one I have been recommended would cost (in total) around CHF 6'000.-.


Well, take care and do not forget to clean your glasses
congratulations on the decision! I hope everything goes well and you get rid of your glasses.

I had the lasik surgery for myopia 2 years ago, and I can tell you that this was the best thing I've done for myself. After wearing contacts for 15 years my eyes couldn't take it anymore, so I just decided to do it on a whim, when I went back home (istanbul) for christmas holiday.

One thing I can recommend is take very dark sun glasses with you, because after the surgery your eyes will be super sensitive to light. luckily my surgery was at 9pm, so it was dark. after the surgery I went home and went directly to bed, next morning when I woke up I had the perfect eyesight!

of course I had an adjustment period, first couple of days my eyes were still sensitive to light, and for a while I developed a temporary hypermetropia but it went away.

now I don't even remember having bad eyesight

the surgery it self is very fast, only a couple of minutes. the whole thing takes about 15-20 minutes including the part where they anesthetize your eyes. afterwards it burns a lot but the next day you don't feel like you had eye surgery less then 24 hours ago.

they'll give you lots of eye drops, to prevent infection and to help healing. don't forget to use them on time and follow the doctor's instructions.

again good luck!
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I had it made more than 10 years ago and was very, very happy with it. Told everyone 'you should get it, it's a life changer, etc'.

About 3 months ago my vision started degrading in one eye to the point I couldn't read my computer screen, street signs, etc, on one eye. Turns out I have a condition called Keratoconus which is progressive and leads to blindness on the eye which can only be corrected with a cornea transplant. Lasik is known to cause this. Dec 9 I did an (experimental, so no insurance) surgery called Collagen Cross Linking which stops the progression so eye glasses can be used then to have normal vision.

An ambulatory surgery, they do over 100 per year at my hospital, most without a problem - but over the weekend at home things turned for the worst: my eye started hurting. I had an infection, they had me hospitalized for 10 days and I probably will have scaring left in my eye which will affect my vision regardless if the Keratoconus stabilizes and I can correct with eyeglasses. And I will have to be at least 3, 4 months waiting for the eye to stabilize, so no eyeglasses and makes me much more tired at work, daily life, etc, as I only have one good eye to do everything on the computer... Also depressive to be quite young (33) and know my other eye is also at risk.

When I did the surgery this long term risk was not know, now doctors told me patients are monitored for cornea sickness to know if the surgery can put them at risk of Keratoconus. Still, apparently one in a few 1000's lasik patients will develop this in their lifetime (apparently, long term effects still not known).

But my point are:
- you should ask about this risk, understand it, and be screened.
- you are messing with your perfectly fine, healthy eyes. If you are not a pilot or model or whatever, nothing wrong with using eye glasses or contacts besides the hassle. Long term (5, 10+ years) effects of lasik still not 100% understood. Google for it on the web, as always with the web a lot of spam, garbage, but sort through that you will find serious reports on the risks...
So if I where me 10 years ago, I would not do this. One of the reasons I did it was because of sports and scuba diving, which where problematic with glasses or lenses. Now I do neither...

Anyway, if you want to do it, consider another country (as with so many topics with Switzerland...). Much cheaper. If you speak Spanish the clinic in my hometown in Colombia is one of the best eye clinics in Latinamerica. I called about this problem, they understood this 'experimental' surgery invented in Switzerland and do it daily, for example. Etc. But of course, if you can afford it here in Switzerland is the most comfortable and a good level of care.

Google and read about it as well, besides asking the doctor at a private clinic 'selling' you this... Best of luck!
Gheez, I am sorry to hear that you have gone through all these issues with your eyes. I have already looked up on the internet and found many good pieces of information, also the website of the clinic I will go to explains clearly what the risks could be.

It is a surgery and surgery can go wrong sometimes. I have heard more positive feedback than the opposite.

Thank you for your explanations and really hope your eyes will get better. Technology always improves, they might find a solution to your problem !
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Four years after surgery my wife still uses eye drops every day. But she's very happy with the results.
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congratulations on the decision! I hope everything goes well and you get rid of your glasses.

I had the lasik surgery for myopia 2 years ago, and I can tell you that this was the best thing I've done for myself. After wearing contacts for 15 years my eyes couldn't take it anymore, so I just decided to do it on a whim, when I went back home (istanbul) for christmas holiday.

One thing I can recommend is take very dark sun glasses with you, because after the surgery your eyes will be super sensitive to light. luckily my surgery was at 9pm, so it was dark. after the surgery I went home and went directly to bed, next morning when I woke up I had the perfect eyesight!

of course I had an adjustment period, first couple of days my eyes were still sensitive to light, and for a while I developed a temporary hypermetropia but it went away.

now I don't even remember having bad eyesight

the surgery it self is very fast, only a couple of minutes. the whole thing takes about 15-20 minutes including the part where they anesthetize your eyes. afterwards it burns a lot but the next day you don't feel like you had eye surgery less then 24 hours ago.

they'll give you lots of eye drops, to prevent infection and to help healing. don't forget to use them on time and follow the doctor's instructions.

again good luck!

AWESOME !!! You should be paid by the surgeons, get a percent of what they charge the patient, because you are very convincing

Thank you !!!
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However, I found no one who had it for hypermetropia. That is why I am wondering if it is similar to the other surgeries.
One person was far sighted in one eye, and short sighted in the other.
She didnt notice a difference in the surgeries which were done on the same day, and took about 10 minutes each.

The other had +11 glasses, and lenses put in her eyes.


(there are lots of people on here with english as one of many languages, hence i prefer to use small words...)
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Re: Eyes surgery, who got it ?

I had LASIK done about 12 years ago. Unfortunately, I was 19 at the time, and although it appeared that my eyes had finished "growing", it was still a bit early for me; by the time I turned 22, I had to wear glasses ocassionally again.

My vision is good enough that I can legally drive in the States without glasses (not here), though I tend to wear contacts these days so that I can have "perfect" vision. For a couple years I had a minor sensitivity to light, though I don't really notice that any more.

For all that, I still am glad I did it. I wake up in the morning and I can see without fumbling for my glasses. I can read the alarm clock. I can fall asleep watching a movie on the couch without having to worry about glasses or contacts, yet still enjoy the movie. I can do sports without worry about glasses or contacts.

It was worthwhile for me, but you need to understand that it doesn't always come out perfect, and as others have posted, there are significant risks associated with it. Get comfortable with the potential outcomes before you make the decision.

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Gheez, I am sorry to hear that you have gone through all these issues with your eyes. I have already looked up on the internet and found many good pieces of information, also the website of the clinic I will go to explains clearly what the risks could be.

It is a surgery and surgery can go wrong sometimes. I have heard more positive feedback than the opposite.

Thank you for your explanations and really hope your eyes will get better. Technology always improves, they might find a solution to your problem !
Thanks for the good words - and I know it's like that, any surgery, can go wrong. Just a tad pessimistic at the moment seeing my eyesight will be definitely affected. But best of luck, as others expressed and you know, it's a life changer, I was very, very happy about it until 3 months ago (bad luck, one in a 1000 cases).
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Re: Eyes surgery, who got it ?

I had my surgery some 12 years ago. As Corbets, my eyes hadn't finished growing up and it was not a laser surgery. After 5 years I had to start using glasses again, and my eyes are very sensitive to light because of the scars of the op.

I wonder if is possible to have it done a second time, I'll have to ask my optician, but would like to know if anyone has done it.
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Re: Eyes surgery, who got it ?

I certainly understand the desire. Up until recently I was seriously considering it but then all the reports about underreporting of adverse reactions and concerns about long-term effects started appearing. One of the doctors responsible for approving laser eye surgery in the US has just put in a citizen petition to the FDA requesting that it review its approval of laser eye surgery. This doctor doesn’t say people shouldn’t get it but rather that they should do the research and only get it if they understand the risks and are willing to put up with them should something not go right. For me, the answer was no. Depending on the statistics, the rate of side effects is anywhere from 20-50%. 50% may be exaggerated but around 20% seem to have some kind of side effects.

So, be very, very well informed when you make your decision. The FDA provides a handy checklist of things you should consider before making your decision: http://www.fda.gov/MedicalDevices/Pr.../ucm061325.htm
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http://www.lasik-center.com/laser/linsenoperation.html

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I have read about it in a magazin, cant find the source now. The gent who had this done many years ago, said he was very happy with it.
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I had it done in Spain about 11 years ago now. Now a shower takes me 5 minutes: before I got in with my glasses on and washed from the neck down, got out, dried myself and washed my hair (of course the shampoo bottle had to be in exactly the same spot or I could never find it). I can even see the alarm clock in the mornings . I had lasik.
I'm very sorry to hear about Venturello's experience. I think (and hope) it's just bad luck. I'm still very happy I've done it. The only side effect is that I have to use eyedrops twice a day, but I blame it more on Switzerland than on the operation: this country is very dry, and I never had a problem either in Britain or in Spain.
Whatever you do, I wish you good luck.
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I r. If you speak Spanish the clinic in my hometown in Colombia is one of the best eye clinics in Latinamerica. I called about this problem, they understood this 'experimental' surgery invented in Switzerland and do it daily, for example.
Collagen crosslinking was developed in Dresden. If your clinic can't even get the basics right... I'd be worried.
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Re: Eyes surgery, who got it ?

I had a long discussion with my optician about laser surgery as I have worn contact lens for years.
I don't know what age you are but in your late 40s the eyes change significantly - for some reason 47 is the time. It you were to get work done say in your late 30s/early 40s then would it have to be redone?
He is short sighted like me and although it is not in his interest to recommend having treatment, he told me the merits ,but said he would not have it done .
He said - You only have one pair of eyes and yes, I was going to go through with it but a friend went ahead and had a lot of problems and regrets it, so I changed my mind.
As with any treatment (facelifts,tucks etc) we are bombarded with the success stories but often don't hear when things do not go to plan.
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I had laser eye surgery 9 years ago and it is the best thing i did. Amazing right after the procedure i could see clearly. I had very poor eyesight now 20/20
the only side effect, i have drier eyes then previously so I have to use drops in the morning and if i sit on the computer to long or watch tv for a while. Other then that no problems.
Suggestion, do not skimp, research and go the best, I`m sure you will
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Re: Eyes surgery, who got it ?

I'm curious about all of you folks who are relating your experiences with satisfaction... were you nearsighted or farsighted prior to your surgery?

It's been a few years now and can not recall confidently but it seems to me that LASIK, while an option for some who are farsighted, it is less recommended for them than for nearsighted folks.

The reason for this is that generally, folks who are nearsighted have steep corneas which offer "easier" reshaping than the flat shaped corneas of folks suffering from farsightedness. I want to say the opthalmologist who conducted the seminar I attended said that the incidences of side effects - and "mistakes" - were greater in those who are farsighted as there are increased chances of cutting the cornea too thin.


Definitely check it out more, ask around for personal experiences, ask your family members if anyone else suffers from "hypermetropia" and what their experiences were. (Much of the time, our visual difficulties are just one of those things that happens to be a genetic trait so chances are, you do have relatives with similar visual needs to yours.)
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