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Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

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In the info package we got from Zollikerberg Spital where we're planning to have our kid in March, came the "Geburtsformalitaeten". Under the section for foreigner-married-to-foreigner (us ), it says "Schweiz. Familienbuchlein oder Familienausweis, wenn vorhanden, andernfalls: Eheschein und Geburtsscheine mit Elternname (nicht alter als 6 Monate)"

I don't have a Familienausweis so presumably we need our marriage certificate and birth certificates. But what's that nonsense about being not older than 6 months?! Does that really mean I have to go through the hassle of figuring out how to renew my birth certificate and marriage certificate? that will be such a pain... we are from different countries and it's possible we won't have that by the time the child is born if it's needed
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Old 09.01.2011, 12:34
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

We had to get new birth certificates when we registered our newborn. If you are British then you just google duplicate birth certificates and you can do it all online. Cost us £17 i think. Not sure about other nationalities though
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

Hi,

We had to renew both our birth certificates including our marriage certificate.

My husband is dutch so his part was easy because Holland issues international birth certificates and Switzerland accepts that. More complicated for me, I'm czech and had to have the birth & marriage certificate (got married in the CZ) renewed as well as translated into german by an official translator as they were not international. Luckily got help from my family back in the Czech Republic otherwise it would have been a bit of a nightmare - being 7 months pregnant (that's when we found out what was actually required) I couldn't travel. Well worth to check any paperwork needed beforehand. I actually did my research and my hospital's website did not mention anything about this 6 month cut off!

As far as I can see the 6 month old birth certificates are applicable to all nationalities.

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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

Yep, and the second time you have a baby in the same place, you'll need a new set, although one would think, your birth data wouldn't change....
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

Yes, you need certificates that are issued in the last 6 months. I'd recommend getting them as soon as possible - the cost of express delivery is really high - and it takes a long time to get them on the standard method.
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

<rant> ohhhhh man. That is just @#$@ing ridiculous. I'm sorry but I just can't see why it matters when my birth certificate was issued (okay fair enough about the language thing). </rant>

Anyways (I do love switzerland, happy/privileged to be here, just a shitty week) ... plus i gotta get passports renewed which means sending off the birth certificates so i sure hope the original birth certificates aren't needed for their renewal!

am I right in that English for birth & marriage certificates is ok? If I get it right, the hospial thing basically says that they have to be in one of the Landesprache (german/french/italian/romansch) but english is ok too. Anyone can confirm?
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Old 09.01.2011, 21:00
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

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<rant> ohhhhh man. That is just @#$@ing ridiculous. I'm sorry but I just can't see why it matters when my birth certificate was issued (okay fair enough about the language thing). </rant>

Anyways (I do love switzerland, happy/privileged to be here, just a shitty week) ... plus i gotta get passports renewed which means sending off the birth certificates so i sure hope the original birth certificates aren't needed for their renewal!

am I right in that English for birth & marriage certificates is ok? If I get it right, the hospial thing basically says that they have to be in one of the Landesprache (german/french/italian/romansch) but english is ok too. Anyone can confirm?
English is OK but you have to get copies so they are less than 6 months old (as many people have posted). You do not need the originals to get copies made (makes sense, in most cases why would you want copies if you have the originals);strange thing in England you can order copies of anybodys certificates - not just your own.
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

I had my son in Zimmerberg two years ago and as mentioned you do need both birth certificates and marriage certificate must be less than 6 months. My husband and I are both British and got married in the UK and had no difficulty with all our certificates being in English. In fact we had my son's birth certificate before we left hospital.

However I would check if you are from outwith the EU, I had a friend from South Africa who had terrible trouble getting her daughter's birth certificate and it took just short of 6 months (although this wasn't at Zimmerberg).
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

I don't know what is this about and if it is a Zurich thing, but I didn't have this when I gave birth to my daughter here in Basel.

I believe that it is one of the most useless and ridiculous demand to do to a woman who goes to hospital for giving birth. My birth data didn't change... ever! Passport, regular birth certificat & regular mariage certificat/family book should be enough.
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Hi,

We had to renew both our birth certificates including our marriage certificate.

My husband is dutch so his part was easy because Holland issues international birth certificates and Switzerland accepts that. More complicated for me, I'm czech and had to have the birth & marriage certificate (got married in the CZ) renewed as well as translated into german by an official translator as they were not international. Luckily got help from my family back in the Czech Republic otherwise it would have been a bit of a nightmare - being 7 months pregnant (that's when we found out what was actually required) I couldn't travel. Well worth to check any paperwork needed beforehand. I actually did my research and my hospital's website did not mention anything about this 6 month cut off!

As far as I can see the 6 month old birth certificates are applicable to all nationalities.

Hope this helps a bit
Wow, I wonder if this really is different canton by canton. They never wanted anything like this from us here in VD when I was delivering. I am Czech, hubby Yank and we also got married back in Czech. Nobody wanted brand new birth certifs, I think they haven't even asked for a marriage certif, either. The only thing they really insisted on was my (only) valid insurance card. The paperwork got sorted out later, I got my child's birth certif by mail, a few weeks later.
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

We just went through the process earlier this month with our dear son with the City of Zurich. They are quite strict on the copy of the 'parents' birth certificate being issued within 6 months but they were willing to accept the certified copy of our marriage certificate which was issued in 2009.

BTW, since the Swiss authorities will keep the copies of the birth and marriage certificate you provide, its best now to order a few copies of your birth certificate and marriage certificate, because when you need to apply for a passport for your child you will also need these documents.
We got caught out with this and now will have to hold off on our travel plans
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

I believe you can get your original documents back - just ask. I haven't actually received my daughter's birth certificate yet (over 5 weeks... but out marriage certificate is indonesian and translated and anything out of the ordinary seems to take longer here...) but I contacted them and have had an email from Zurich birth registration team confirming they have everything they need and they they will return all my original documents. If you have question you want to ask that team their address is infozsa@zuerich.ch (Team Geburten)

There is quite a lot of info on here about registering births, one thread that you may find useful is this one with experiences from people who are not EU or have unusual circumstances:
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The six months thing is standard in Switzerland for things like birth and marriage. It's just how they do things, you may think it's stupid but every country has their own system you just have to work with it.
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

Thanks -- in that thread Gronk says that the marriage certificate does not have to be issued within 6 months (just the birth certs do), can anyone please confirm that?

Also can someone confirm that they do return the original copies of the certificates they take?

as if having a baby isn't difficult enough
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

.... update, nevermind: turns out getting another copy of the marriage certificate issued was super easy. It's just the wife's birth certificate that's hard (level of difficulty: Quebec)

thanks everyone for the help!
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It's just the wife's birth certificate that's hard (level of difficulty: Quebec)
at least they should be able to issue it in one of the official languages...
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(did a search, didn't find anything)
In the info package we got from Zollikerberg Spital where we're planning to have our kid in March, came the "Geburtsformalitaeten". Under the section for foreigner-married-to-foreigner (us ), it says "Schweiz. Familienbuchlein oder Familienausweis, wenn vorhanden, andernfalls: Eheschein und Geburtsscheine mit Elternname (nicht alter als 6 Monate)"

I don't have a Familienausweis so presumably we need our marriage certificate and birth certificates. But what's that nonsense about being not older than 6 months?! Does that really mean I have to go through the hassle of figuring out how to renew my birth certificate and marriage certificate? that will be such a pain... we are from different countries and it's possible we won't have that by the time the child is born if it's needed
I am fairly certain that the head of the family (Even foreigners) can apply for a Swiss Family Booklet (Familien Buchlein, or Familles Livret) at the (Kreisbüro) registration office. This is a Swissy thing, and records all the information about the family, and seems to be accepted by hospitals as gospel. So maybe you might want to try and get one, saving yourselves lots of future hassel with out of date birth certificates.

I was told by an UK Embassy employee in Munich, that a certificate with a seal never expires. She commented that nobody seems to know that and she moaned that she was always having to explain this to burocrats.

After the birth always ask for an International birth certificate: it saves you a fortune in translations, and costs very little extra.

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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

ok thanks i will make sure to ask for an international birth cert for our newborn when he arrives...

I don't think i'm eligible for a familie buchlein given that i'm only on a B-permit? But next time i'm at the kreisburo I will ask.

Got Quebec application form... only thing I can see that I don't have is a proof of home address for her because all the stuff we have that qualifies is in German, and the Quebec form says clearly only French/English. Oh well, I should be able to go down to the local AXA Winterthur office and ask them nicely to issue me a statement that my wife is insured at this address, in FRENCH... then all should be sorted.

who woulda guessed that having a child in switzerland would culminate in making a trip to the local home insurance office to get a statement reissued in a different language?
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

Just to add - I had my baby in Zug so the requirements are not only needed for Zurich...
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Re: Having a child: do we have to renew our birth and marriage certificates?

I found the paperwork almost more stressful than the actual giving birth! Especially choosing a name... you get about 6 weeks to register in the UK but here it's 3 days and we couldn't agree on a name right up until the last minute! In the end our place said as long as we send off the registration forms the next day it would be ok if we filled in the name a few days later.

Anyway a lot seems to depend on the person and location in Switzerland of the admin official processing your documents, if you get someone who is able to apply general principles to situations that don't exactly match the rule book (i.e. many foreigners) then you're fine, just hope you don't get a jobsworth if you have any slight variations in your paperwork.

Btw I was told by a few other parents that some hospitals like to confirm that the child has health insurance before you leave, mine didn't ask but I had prearranged that just in case, and had also rung around to find a kinderarzt that would take her onto their books to avoid the stress of that after the birth. Probably not essential but if you have the time it doesn't hurt to be overprepared!
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I am fairly certain that the head of the family (Even foreigners) can apply for a Swiss Family Booklet (Familien Buchlein, or Familles Livret) at the (Kreisbüro) registration office. This is a Swissy thing, and records all the information about the family, and seems to be accepted by hospitals as gospel. So maybe you might want to try and get one, saving yourselves lots of future hassel with out of date birth certificates. .
They don't issue the "Familienbüchlein" any more, even for Swiss nationals (stopped in 2005.) The new document is called a "Familienausweis." You are right, any married couple can apply for it regardless of nationality or where they were married.

There is also a "Personenstandsausweis" for children of unmarried couples, or children belonging to only one spouse in a marriage, and an "Ausweis über den registrierten Familienstand" which can be issued to single, divorced or widowed parents.
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