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Old 15.01.2011, 17:43
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Re: Questions on teacher's punishment

This is a very difficult situation, and you will need to tread very carefully.
1) Get in possession of as many of the facts as possible. Are you friendly with a parent of another child in the same class, who may be able to give an insight into the situation, from their child?
2) Plan your best strategy. It is probably advisable to speak with the "problem" teacher in the first instance (it would cause bitterness and resentment to by-pass them), although speaking with the second teacher is also advantageous. Going to the School Commission should also be considered, but this could go against you (and your child), if they side with the teacher -- which is possible. Bearing in mind your child has possibly 5 more years at this school, this could end up giving a "black mark" against him/you/younger siblings to follow(?). This isn't right, but could happen. I always questioned, and was frustrated at, my (Swiss) wife's "don't make waves" approach, when I wanted her to raise a "sticky" point on the parent/teacher interview or a direct complaint to the school about some issue that I wasn't happy with; but her approach is a point to consider for the long term. My daughter has made it to the 5th class with a reasonable-to-good level of education despite certain reservations I still have about the running of her school and teacher attitudes (probably because of cultural/national differences). However there does seem to exist a culture of acceptance here, even when people here are not happy with a situation, they don't seem willing to complain, but just accept it, so my approach would have made me (and my family) stand out to the detriment.
3) Stay cool when you speak with her/them and avoid a confrontational approach (probably difficult under the circumstances).

But one thing is for sure, he shouldn't have been left alone in a classroom without supervision - this has got to contravene a regulation, or even possibly, a law. In my daughter's class anyone not participating in the PE lesson, for whatever reason, still has to sit in the gym at the side - where the teacher is.

And one final thought. I, as small schoolboy, sometimes did "rubbish", for which I got punished, but usually got away without having to give my parents the whole story of what happened. Kids learn how to manipulate the facts to their own ends, from an early age.
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Old 15.01.2011, 18:04
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Re: Questions on teacher's punishment

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And I object to your comments because my experiences are very different to yours. So where does that leave us?
This is not about me or you, again. It is about not making OP believe teachers here are never guilty of picking on kids. Because it is simply not true. I don't think OP needs to be lied to, in order to keep calm for when he speaks to the teacher.

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As for the examples you give, lots of bad things happen around the world. That is no good reason for going around with the view that those things are happening here. They may do, but they also may not..
Yep. You simply stated they don't, which is, again, a load of BS. And I know it because I work here. My whole point was to actually not have people believe that here teachers are better than elsewhere. They are as human as anywhere else, many with a nice giant truckload of formal authority and traditional unquestioned respect they demand. It is, in fact, a lot harder to fight the overbearing teacher's power here.

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You also seem to have a rather negative view of the whole situation.
Maybe I actually take the time to think about the consequences. And, I recognize the good ol' teacher's shtick to pawn the blame onto somebody else. To intimidate parents, ie yours "you do what the teacher said". To call people who disagree with unpedagogical treatment negative, to say they expect negativity since they might also be negative themselves. To say we cannot believe what kids say might actually be true... I am not saying it automatically is true, but what I said is that it is irrelevant what happened, important is NOT to isolate a 6yr old in a classroom by himself for a long stretches of time. Highly unprofessional and if it happened where I taught before the teacher would be fired. I do not give that teacher credit for how warranted it actually was, since, nobody should isolate a 6yr old, by himself, for that long. And repeatedly. It is dangerous and disrespectful.

When something grave happens in my class I make sure I am taking my unpaid time to sit with the kid as I said, on saturdays etc. to make sure it won't repeat. Or, I call a meeting. Reach for support, have the admins help out. Because the minute kid finds out how interested you are in being consistent with rules and the whole school consistently is with parents, too, with taking personal time to fix stuff, you do it once and then you cruise through the rest of the school year. Easy. And you are respected. And you certainly don't need the whole "don't question the teacher, ever" formal attitude written on your forehead if you throw in a couple of nice, explanatory moments and you state clearly what you expect. The first two weeks of the school year is the drill.

Btw, it seems to me that strategies like what OP said that teacher did happen when teacher is not supported, can't really deal with it other way, the reseau is unavailable, or she might be considered a failure if she sends the kiddo immediately to the director, detention, etc. Or, again, she can't be bothered to actually deal with the situ, does not want to deal with it after class, is lazy to contact other teachers to take the kid in while they have PE..But why should a 6yr old pay for this with very inappropriate punishments and attitudes..She can say she does not like boys to her cronies over their Migros cakes, but not to the kids.

To be fair, I hope OP is not making any similar remarks about the teacher to his/her kid since it would make studying difficult. "School is cool", remember?

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These things happen in a school and they are dealt with in due course. Getting upset is not going to help much and neither is having a paranoid outlook.
You are making me laugh. Again, you can use the whole "let's not question the teacher or else you will be labeled paranoid" manipulative way, or, let's think why OP actually came to ask that question. Why? Because the situation has not been dealt with in due course. Nobody is upset. Nobody is even saying OP should be upset. He/She should definitely discuss this this supervisors, but why be upset? Why does discussing things make you feel people are upset?

Faltrad, marvelous post on how to deal with the teacher! Fab.
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Old 15.01.2011, 20:26
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It is about not making OP believe teachers here are never guilty of picking on kids. Because it is simply not true. I don't think OP needs to be lied to, in order to keep calm for when he speaks to the teacher.
There you again, thinking that the OP cannot think for themselves. If I told her that the sky was green on Mondays would she believe me? No, because she has seen otherwise. In my experience teachers do not pick on kids. In your experience they do. The OP will quickly find out the truth of the matter when she meets the teacher.


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Yep. You simply stated they don't, which is, again, a load of BS. And I know it because I work here.
Oh and I don't? I have no idea what has made you so anti-teacher, but perhaps that is an issue you need to sort out for yourself first, before leading others onto your bandwagon. Besides, why have you descended into the vernacular?


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Maybe I actually take the time to think about the consequences.
Oh do grow up. You don't have to follow John Paul II into beatification.

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And, I recognize the good ol' teacher's shtick to pawn the blame onto somebody else.
You must have had a rough old time in teaching to become so cynical.

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To intimidate parents, ie yours "you do what the teacher said".
Intimidate parents? Have you met the parents here? They are not the type to get intimidated by rubbish, no matter who it comes from.

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Highly unprofessional and if it happened where I taught before the teacher would be fired.
What about where you teach now? Is it actually against school policy? Is that what really happened?

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I do not give that teacher credit for how warranted it actually was, since, nobody should isolate a 6yr old, by himself, for that long. And repeatedly. It is dangerous and disrespectful.
Are you sure this is what happened? From one post? Are you judge and jury now?

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When something grave happens in my class I make sure I am taking my unpaid time to sit with the kid as I said, on saturdays etc. to make sure it won't repeat.
I have worked in boarding schools all my career. You think I am going to find it impressive that you occasionally chatted to someone on a Saturday? You haven't a clue what pastoral care for children 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, for 3 or 4 months at a time is. I get children asking for advice and looking for someone to talk to at all hours of the day. My day doesn't finish when the bell goes.

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And you certainly don't need the whole "don't question the teacher, ever" formal attitude written on your forehead if you throw in a couple of nice, explanatory moments and you state clearly what you expect. The first two weeks of the school year is the drill.
What sort of prehistoric educational system are you used to? Have you any idea what type of teaching goes on in schools nowadays?

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Btw, it seems to me that strategies like what OP said that teacher did happen when teacher is not supported, can't really deal with it other way, the reaseu is unavailable, or she might be considered a failure if she sends the kiddo immediately to the director, detention, etc. Or, again, she can't be bothered to actually deal with the situ, does not want to deal with it after class, is lazy to contact other teachers to take the kid in while they have PE..But why should a 6yr old pay for this with very inappropriate punishments and attitudes..She can say she does not like boys to her cronies over their Migros cakes, but not to the kids.
Again where does this come from? Are you sure this was said?

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You are making me laugh. Again, you can use the whole "let's not question the teacher or else you will be labeled paranoid" manipulative way, or, let's think why OP actually came to ask that question.
Did anyone ever tell you that you exaggerate? I really do wonder what sort of educational establishments you have been in.
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Old 15.01.2011, 20:40
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Re: Questions on teacher's punishment

Thanks again to everyone. I will get in contact with the teacher next week. Thankfully its not a major issue, and hopefully a productive adult discussion will have it sorted.

Enjoy your weekend everyone. I am off to enjoy another cold beer (i.e. I am not a "she")
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Old 15.01.2011, 21:01
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I am off to enjoy another cold beer (i.e. I am not a "she")
OOPS!!! My apologies!

Enjoy your beer!
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Old 15.01.2011, 21:41
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Re: Questions on teacher's punishment

Yikes, this is getting long and awfully personal, innit..I wonder.

I'll be brief, it is already boring. Sorry OP, I won't sit on this long. Enjoy that beer.

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QUOTE=Tuborg;1070338]There you again, thinking that the OP cannot think for themselves
In your 1st post your advised OP to do listen to any advice the teacher will propose and act upon it. I am not sure how much credit that actually gives to OP. You justified it with the notion that teachers don't pick on kids. They do on other people but not on kids you said. Simples. I oppose, since they do. I am not saying ton of them, or all the time, but some simply do. Maybe in your special, boarding school scenario they don't. I even doubt that, though, because you can't 100% say that absolutely no teachers there ever misbehave.

We are talking public local school. I don't think you being a boarding school teacher makes you in any way more qualified to make a sweeping generalizing comment you did about all teachers in general. And, no, why should you be impressed by other teacher's disciplining ways? Have you noticed me actually saying "some" teachers, not all? You seem to ignore the fact I love my profession and 99% of teachers. Do I think all teachers are fantastic? Are you kidding me? This is making me chuckle. Of course they aren't. They are humans. And, some resort to picking on kids. Tiny percentage, enough to actually think for myself, yes that lady in question might have actually said in front of kids what she said, and correspondingly, I could believe that she administered completely prehistorical punishment, too.

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I have no idea what has made you so anti-teacher..
I have no idea why you think I am anti teacher. I love most of them, dislike some, just like any other people. People make mistakes. Teachers make mistakes. To assume the teacher in question never picks on kids, since people don't in here, is imho wrong. Leaving a 6yr old to himself for so long is most probably against the school policy, so it is logical to disagree with it, besides the common sense.

Ok, so you have so far called me negative, cynical, immature, uhm...probably with wrong education, having taught in questionable establishments. Do you think you proving your point more? You question if I am even aware what teaching ways are used now? This is getting hysterical. But, just for the formality, yes, I am very aware of the teaching ways that are happening now. In fact, I have been studying it for quite a while, while teaching. I have published very nice two articles in ped journals just a few days ago, I could send you a copy if you care, when I translate them. Pedagogy is my hobby and your reaction is interesting. More pedagogy I know, more one knows about technicalities, more empathy for the ones without much power one has. Makes sense, no? And, again, I don't think kids are angels. You have to be cruel to be kind, many times. I do think some teachers sometimes abuse the power they have been given, though. Letting a kid isolated for so long, at the age of 6, in an unsupervised environment is abusing that power. Call me jury or whatever, people will always have opinion. Parents are entitled to one, too. And good for them if they come forward with it, if only just to check.

Now, go and have a drink, I am sure they let you do that there
I'll do the same.
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Old 15.01.2011, 21:47
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Why do some teachers, after spending time with children, assume that everyone that they are dealing with is a child?
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Re: Questions on teacher's punishment

For all those concerned, just a follow up, after discussing with the teacher this morning...

Everything went well. The teacher was responsive and we drilled down into the problem, and have decided to monitor the situation and keep in touch.

The problem was essentially that my son was being a bit noisy, particularly when moving from classroom to the gymnastics room, let's say, he's a bit of a lad and loves to get the laughs.

After being asked to keep it down several times, he was kept out of Gym for 30 minutes, and made to do some maths in the change room. I have no problem with this now, and am satisfied that she is not overdoing it.

The other point is: my son is only 6 years old, and I won't be making this a big issue for him. I'll just tell him to keep it down and not to be too noisy. He's not going to get any lectures, or any punishment from me. There's nothing wrong with being a bit of a clown at six years of age!

Thanks for your feedback.
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I am glad it all turned out well for you, and the teacher was reasonable and explained her position.
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