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the bill - now I expect that to be painful and I will let you know. Please note Swiss dentists always find something that needs doing and this is advice from Swiss colleagues.
However it will still be good value when compared to the pain suffered for a couple of hours.This is what I will think about as I pay the bill 1000-2000chf is a cheap price to pay when in agony at 3am in the night!!
Thank God there is 24hr emergency coverage as without it I think I would have died of pain!!!
Sorry to hear about your agony. So what was the bill, if I may ask ?
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Hi IP

If you are willing to come to Geneva for your treatment, I have a suggestion that might help.

Im one of the people managing GenevaOnline.ch (soon to be renamed Glocals.com) and we negotiated a special offer on dental treatments in Geneva for our members.

Check out: http://www.sindy.ch/offers-dental.htm
As the offer says, our members get a free check-up, and 10% off all dental treatments at Clinique Dentaire de Geneve.

CDG have 2 clinics in Geneva, and so far our members seem very happy with the treatments and the prices, so it might be worth a quick trip to Geneva for you.

Good Luck

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My dentist in India had many patients(mainly for surgery not covered by insurance) from aborad for this very reason.. he said even with the travel costs it came out much cheaper for them..
I'm not sure about that, a flight to India costs well over 1000 CHF and would you really want a dentist performing a large procedure on you that you've never met, and can't be sure of the qualification?

I dunno, I've never had a root canal or any really expensive work done, but the thought of going to India to have something "done" really puts me off.
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My dentist in India had many patients(mainly for surgery not covered by insurance) from aborad for this very reason.. he said even with the travel costs it came out much cheaper for them..
.....and if there's a problem and you need to go back ? "Just going to the dentist, be back in a week".
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Re: Dental costs -- Root canal treatment

I'm an old hand at root canals: I've had a few teeth knocked out due to contact sports, and very recently just had one of my rear molars done because its roots were killed by an impacted wisdom tooth.

The cost of a root canal treatment will vary depending on which tooth it is and how easy it is to treat. A front tooth (with one root) can be treated in one visit, and should cost around 800.- CHF. (At least, that's what it costs in canton Vaud.) This will take about an hour.

A molar (which has more roots and is less accessible for dentist to work on) will require more work, and will almost certainly require multiple visits to the dentist. Often they will do an initial treatment of the root and wait a week or so to make sure you have no major problems before putting in a permanent filling. I recently went through an unbelievable five visits in consecutive weeks to have my molar done: I had regular and panoramic x-rays during the first visit to diagnose the problem, an initial excavation of the three roots and a temporary filling of the roots on the subsequent visit (approx 1 hour), opening up the tooth and re-treating one of the roots on the next visit due to continued pain and sensitivity (approx 45 minutes), replacing the temporary root fillings with permanant ones on the fourth visit (approx 30 minutes), and a final permanent ceramic filling on the surface of the tooth on the fifth visit (approx 30 minutes).

When I added up all the bills at the end of my treatment, the TOTAL cost was still just around the 1000.- CHF mark, which was a full 200.- CHF less than what was given as my original estimate. However, note this does not include a crown fitting. If they have to remove large parts of the tooth to perform a root canal, you will need to have a crown fitted, which could add maybe 1000.- CHF to the total cost.

The only way to determine the approximate cost any root canal treatment is to ask for an estimate from your dentist with a breakdown of the costs. You should be able to request this by phone and it should be provided free of charge. I'd also ask them to clarify whether or not it will be treated in one sitting or multiple, how may roots need to be done, and if you will need a crown or not.

A simple root canal requiring no crown and that can be treated in one session may be cheaper to get done abroad, although it will not be too expensive here (certainly not worth a flight to India!). If you choose this route, obtain copies of your x-rays, and make sure the dentist on the other end is exactly informed of what you need to have done, and is willing to do it.

If your root canal is going to be complicated, you may have no choice but to have it done here due to the requirement for multiple visits to the dentist spaced a week or so apart. If you will need a crown but can't afford it now, ask if the crown treatment can be postponed for a few months (or years). That way you can give your wallet a bit of time to recover! I was told ten years ago I'd eventually need a crown on one of my root-canalled teeth, but my current dentist says I can wait another few years yet if I like.

It also does not hurt to be plain about the fact that you are paying out of your own pocket and are worried about the expense. Dentists are perfectly at liberty to charge you less than the standard rate, and are often willing to cut 10% from the standard price of expensive procedures. (And you don't even need to be a member of Geneva Online.) I received discounted rates on both my root canal treatment and some tooth extractions in Switzerland simply because I told them I told the dentist that I wasn't poor, but I certainly wasn't rich, and was worried about the cost.

Whatever happens, I wish all the best for you (and your bank account). Just so you know, despite all the horror stories, thanks to the generous use of anaesthetics in modern dentistry having a root canal done ain't so bad.

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Old 07.08.2007, 09:20
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Hi,
Can anyone tell me what would be the approximate costs for a root canal treatment done in Zürich, as a self-paying patient? Thanks!
Dentists in Switzerland are INSANELY expensive. I had a root canal treatment this spring - cost me 1400 Fr. (including the filling) and took 5 sessions - despite the fact that the tooth didn't cause any problems whatsoever after the 1st treatment.

The dentist told me that if it had been one of my molars, it would have been 1500 for the treatment alone and 2000 for the crown that would have been necessary - so about 3500 Fr. all together.

A friend of mine goes to St. Louis (France, bordering on Basel) - he needed 3 canal treatments, two fillings and one crown and paid 1100 Euro for that.
I'll definitely go there as well from now on.


My parents know a dentist in Budapest - they always go there when they're on vacation. Molar root canal + crown costs about 500 Fr. there.
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Re: Dental costs -- Root canal treatment

Anyone know the cost of filling cavities for children. My five year old was discovered to have four cavities by the dentist yesterday. They are her milk teeth but he said she needs treament. When we called our insurance company they said she is not covered for any dental insurance. ( she has private insurance).They also said that children before age 5 don't need dental insurance. And now if we want insurance we have to get a clearance from the dentist. But now obviously she becomes a pre-existing case so I guess there will be problem.

Meanwhile she has had her first cavity done and I am dreading the bill when it comes. I have three more visits to go? Any help would be appreciated.
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Old 22.08.2007, 21:36
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Anyone know the cost of filling cavities for children. My five year old was discovered to have four cavities by the dentist yesterday. They are her milk teeth but he said she needs treament. When we called our insurance company they said she is not covered for any dental insurance. ( she has private insurance).They also said that children before age 5 don't need dental insurance. And now if we want insurance we have to get a clearance from the dentist. But now obviously she becomes a pre-existing case so I guess there will be problem.

Meanwhile she has had her first cavity done and I am dreading the bill when it comes. I have three more visits to go? Any help would be appreciated.
Check if you can go to the school dentist. You can in Zurich (if you can wait for an appointment), but I don't know about other cantons.
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Old 22.08.2007, 21:45
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A friend of mine goes to St. Louis (France, bordering on Basel) - he needed 3 canal treatments, two fillings and one crown and paid 1100 Euro for that.

I'll definitely go there as well from now on.
Alarm bells just went off in my head with that one. I would avoid any French dentist, they not only have a horrible reputation - but I am having teeth repaired now by my Swiss-based dentist that the man I call the "French Butcher" allegedly worked on. One of those has got to be pulled.

I can strongly suggest a fantastic dentist in Basel, should you be seeking one. Fairly priced, looks to take the conservative route (doesn't just jump in with the most expensive treatment), friendly and a genuinely nice man. Located across from Manor, so right in town as well. Let me know if you're interested, I'll pass on his name (or do a search here, I"ve suggested him before )
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Re: Dental costs -- Root canal treatment

Thanks. Are they cheaper? Do we get any benefits/ rebates from them.I know she was supposed to have a dental check up after the holidays in the local French school she was going to before the holidays as we received a letter.
But now we have shifted her to a private school, which will only begins next month and I guess I will have to check with them.

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Check if you can go to the school dentist. You can in Zurich (if you can wait for an appointment), but I don't know about other cantons.
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Thanks. Are they cheaper? Do we get any benefits/ rebates from them.
In Zurich it's based on income, which is according to to tax declaration/invoice - so, the lower your income is, the more the city/state pays towards the bill. You will have to ask what the practice is at your local school dentist.
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I can confirm how outrageously expensive dental treatments are in Switzerland. 10 days ago I had my last wisdom tooth (no easy jokes about that ) pulled. The entire procedure took some 15 minutes max, from the moment the dentist lifted the chair until he removed my "bib". I had to return a week after to have the fill cotton (inside the gum) removed and replaced by self-disolving sponges. That took some 5 minutes. Finally, "since we were already at it" he replaced an old filling that was a bit too sharp.
I got the bill yesterday for SFr 330. I must say I'm quite happy with how painless everything was, and that it was under SFr500, which was what I was expecting.
this is really amazing! and i guess it is because you have done it in st gallen (many friends suggested me to go there for dental treatments). i had my wisdom tooth pulled several years ago in zurich - and it was CHF 800.

and back to the topic,
one root canal treatment i had was CHF 1300, and another time with little complication went up to CHF 3500...

as Blonaybear mentions, you can always ask for a written quotation/estimation before the treatment starts. i would suggest that and also to check dentist's "Taxpunkte". one dentist i had always been had CHF 4.50 per point and now found a good dentist with CHF 3.60.
once my 'former' dentist invoiced me CHF 5616 for 1248 points , if i have been to the new one, i could have simply saved over CHF 1000!!!

information swiss dental association (german, french and italian only)
http://www.sso.ch/
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Re: Dental costs -- Root canal treatment

well got the bill today . for an emergency 3am treatment followed next day by the root canal followed by another 2 appointments including another filling + lots of drugs - and boy did i need lots of painkilling anaesthetic total was 1350 chf. one of my Swiss colleagues in the office predicted 2500chf so he will now change to my dentist as he thinks that's cheap. by the way it was at the central apotheke in Bellevue.
can't complain as i was in so much pain in the middle of the night i was glad for the treatment.
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Re: Dental costs -- Root canal treatment

Just had the most bitter experience with the dentist. My five year old had her first cavity done by him last week. First visit she was not so scared so let him do it. Cost of procedure 236 CHF(one cavity), waiting time 20 mins., dentist has no time to talk, looks at his watch ( 5 times) and groans!!

Second cavity, week two, daughter doesn't want to go. Convince her to go. Waiting time 7-10mins.( no other patient in site), go inside she starts crying, dr. tries to calm her with a rubber duckie, gets on the chair, but too scared , I am told that I did not prepare her well enough and she is told that if she cries and yells other people will get upset !! Looks at his watch 10 times ( 10 mins.) while constantly saying that now he has no time to attend to her. Getting openly upset with a five year old, tells her to get down and go away. appt. was for 3:00, by 3:20 we are bundled out( literally), told all the best for the future and bye bye ( this includes waiting time).

Neither me nor she have the courage to face a new dentist in this land anymore!!!!
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Alarm bells just went off in my head with that one. I would avoid any French dentist, they not only have a horrible reputation - but I am having teeth repaired now by my Swiss-based dentist that the man I call the "French Butcher" allegedly worked on. One of those has got to be pulled.

I can strongly suggest a fantastic dentist in Basel, should you be seeking one. Fairly priced, looks to take the conservative route (doesn't just jump in with the most expensive treatment), friendly and a genuinely nice man. Located across from Manor, so right in town as well. Let me know if you're interested, I'll pass on his name (or do a search here, I"ve suggested him before )
Hi evilshell (et all),

I've been in Basel (Oberwil) for 2 months now & just cracked off the front of my K9 tooth (which has a large filling) when ripping off the top of a milk carton to recycle it. Be warned - recycling can be dangerous and apparently expensive!

Anyway, I heard the crack and thought, oh dear that doesn’t sound good - sure enough the front was ready to drop but I've managed to keep it in place & no pain (yet!) so I'm going to try to avoid the EMERGENCY DENTIST route and take the civilised approach. Meanwhile I've got some numbers for local dentists from my neighbour who got them from a book not personal experience but I've also heard about the extortionate prices so I've also been doing some lateral thinking (like going to St. Louis etc ) which has brought me to the forum. Reading your note I now have reservations and I'd much rather go with :
(a) English speaking, so I can discuss the issues as I do not want to lose the tooth if possible;
(b) recommendation because although I trust dentists I have had some bad experiences and the damage is permanent when it goes wrong so better to get it right 1st time out eh?

Also, I think I have a policy to cover the work with at least a 500CHF excess but I won't know for sure until I speak to my broker (NVC) on Monday/Tuesday.

As I'm not in pain yet (so the nerve must not be exposed, or has been removed) then I'd like to get as much local info and advice as possible before committing to a new dentist, which I believe may be my new family dentist. I also know for a fact that I need to get 2 implants and 4 re-filling at some time in the next few years as my UK dentist told me this before I left.

Do you know if the dentist you would recommend is top drawer and uses latest equipment / techniques?

And, can anyone shed some light on how to work within the health/dental insurance framework to minimise outlay (+ not increase premium in the process). I think there was a clause about a 1-2 month initial period where a claim would be penalised?

I may be bordering on cosmetics here but my main concern is just to have a set of healthy gnashers fit for purpose despite my continuing rather sweet tooth which is my only real vice in this world!

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated - I'll keep you posted meanwhile.

Cheers in advance.
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My 7 year old daughter goes on monday for 2 fillings in milk teeth and we have been told the bill will be 307 chf, wish i was in the uk where it would be free
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My 7 year old daughter goes on monday for 2 fillings in milk teeth and we have been told the bill will be 307 chf, wish i was in the uk where it would be free
Assuming you find an NHS dentist who will take you.
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well got the bill today . for an emergency 3am treatment followed next day by the root canal followed by another 2 appointments including another filling + lots of drugs - and boy did i need lots of painkilling anaesthetic total was 1350 chf. one of my Swiss colleagues in the office predicted 2500chf so he will now change to my dentist as he thinks that's cheap. by the way it was at the central apotheke in Bellevue.
can't complain as i was in so much pain in the middle of the night i was glad for the treatment.
Hi Cricketer

Could you please give me the name and number of this dentist - I need to make an appointment as I've not had a check up since I arrived a year and a half ago

Thanks

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Old 13.01.2008, 18:19
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My 7 year old daughter goes on monday for 2 fillings in milk teeth and we have been told the bill will be 307 chf, wish i was in the uk where it would be free
Nothing is free! Every person who works pays handsomely for children's free treatment - if it can still be found...
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I think there are queues round the block when a NHS dentist says it has spaces on his books these day - and if you miss a yearly appointment they cancel you from their books. It seems a lot of them prefer the dark side of private practice - that or the shed loads of money they get there
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