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For me a man is not a real man if he just walks by you when you are struggling with a heavy suitcase. Or serves himself first and then notices his kid doesn't have food yet. I could care less if a guy does not know how to cook nor would waste time making assumptions about his masculinity. Btw, being DIY is very masculine, innit..
That I totally agree with! And if the man doesn't know how to cook but will go all over the place to buy you meds, food, etc because you are too sick and will do what he can to take care of you, that is a real man!
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For me a man is not a real man if he just walks by you when you are struggling with a heavy suitcase.
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being DIY is very masculine, innit..
Lets see, I built a house with my father when I was 16 (and did all the wiring and some of the plumbing), fix my own vehicles (and sometimes those of others), and fixed a gas leak at a friend's house last weekend (I also rebuilt the pump motor for their pool last year). I could go on (and on, and on...)

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or a musician, or a scientist who is busy having life and pursuing something more interesting.
I ment only "being able to cook". Time for doing it and reality of life are another question, but at least, the said man has the ability to be independent. Then, everybody choose to be dependent or busy totally freely. It's all about having the freedom to, and not starve if Mrs or Mum is not around.

And it's not about the cooking in itself but about the relativeness of concepts discussed here, especially warning about applying one's criterias to people who have just different criterias about masculinity. I should not give examples anymore as we always get stuck discussing them instead of discussing the argument. Confusius had a saying about this...
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Old 29.01.2011, 18:44
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Who says we aren't already?
Okay, as you were. Do you girls mind doing something about North Korea though. Tx.

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And if the man doesn't know how to cook but will go all over the place to buy you meds, food, etc because you are too sick and will do what he can to take care of you, that is a real man!
Hmmm, as good as I think it is if a person helps the people around him, I don't think that he should define his sexuality by that. Real person, yes.

Being a man to me means listening (note, not following...lol. The male instincts can be a little extreme in their raw state) to my male instincts.
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Old 29.01.2011, 18:44
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I ment only "being able to cook". Time for doing it and reality of life are another question, but at least, the said man has the ability to be independent. Then, everybody choose to be dependent or busy totally freely. It's all about having the freedom to, and not starve if Mrs or Mum is not around.
Yes, I get your point. So it is not really about being a master chef, but not being lazy to be self sufficient (even if it's just hotdogs and baked beans), and not just trade a mom who has catered to him, and upgrade to a wife who is expected to do the same (plus the cuddle duty), right?

I coached my brothers to do their own laundry when they hit their teen years, mom will never forgive me we were fighting over this, since she loves to baby my brothers. While we sneer at the mommy's boys, it's also the moms who wreck them, me thinks.

So, I am not sure if "strong" is the right word here. Maybe bully.
But I do kinda disagree with OP, gota say. Just the history of the rights and laws gives me heebeegeebees.
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Old 29.01.2011, 18:49
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That I totally agree with! And if the man doesn't know how to cook but will go all over the place to buy you meds, food, etc because you are too sick and will do what he can to take care of you, that is a real man!
My wifes comment:My husband does all this including cooking and more " I am covered from all direction" Is she lovely
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Old 29.01.2011, 18:51
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Okay, as you were. Do you girls mind doing something about North Korea though. Tx.
Sorry, gota do my nails now...

Anyways. I just spoke to a dear friend of mine, she is very influential. And worked her ass off to be in that position. Mom is the same way, lots of my female friends, people high up I tutored, etc.. And these chicks must work a lot harder to prove themselves, while it did them good, that fact still feels un-noticed. I think chicks actually run a lot more than the world gives them credit for.

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Being a man to me means listening (note, not following...lol. The male instincts can be a little extreme in their raw state) to my male instincts.
Raw is good, innit.

I am not sure. I wonder if masculinity is mainly pushing some instincts while curbing others, we all live in a social setting. If we only listened to our instincts, I wonder where we would end up..
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Old 29.01.2011, 19:44
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friend of mine, she is very influential. And worked her ass off to be in that position. Mom is the same way, lots of my female friends, people high up I tutored, etc.. And these chicks must work a lot harder to prove themselves, while it did them good, that fact still feels un-noticed. I think chicks actually run a lot more than the world gives them credit for.
The problem is the world gives them credit but they don't believe it. And since they don't believe it, these influential and well positioned women make every effort to get noticed and to prove they are in the position that everyone -except them- knows they are. As a consequence, they tend to become very nasty, bossy and bitchy. They also tend to have not much of a family life.
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Old 30.01.2011, 02:13
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The problem is the world gives them credit but they don't believe it. And since they don't believe it, these influential and well positioned women make every effort to get noticed and to prove they are in the position that everyone -except them- knows they are. As a consequence, they tend to become very nasty, bossy and bitchy. They also tend to have not much of a family life.
I guess it may be true for some...Not that many I know, though. Lotsa power girls are too busy to play pontless games, really.
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Re: Swiss men weak, Swiss women strong, what's your take?

I wonder if Swiss women would get offended if a man offered to carry a heavy suitcase for them? (Genuine question)

I've had unexpected 'no strings attached' help with bags, cases, pushchair etc, in the UK, Australia but in all my 11 years here, never once in Switzerland (not even from my hubby!)

it does seem a cultural thing - but am wondering why?
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Old 31.01.2011, 20:17
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I wonder if Swiss women would get offended if a man offered to carry a heavy suitcase for them? (Genuine question)
The two that I have helped personally and the one that I saw helped on the train certainly don't seem to have been.
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Old 31.01.2011, 22:00
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Re: Swiss men weak, Swiss women strong, what's your take?

I have met some chivalrous old school gents here, so it must be appreciated, something tells me. I doubt local girls I know would be offended, I think they are not used to it, though. I also witnessed some very crass teen behavior, the things a boy would dare to do in public to a teen girl, but that might be overall world trend...?
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Old 31.01.2011, 23:29
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Re: Swiss men weak, Swiss women strong, what's your take?

Now that my dear MC is true point. Chivalry seems to be quite pleasantly common among the older generations. It's delightful when a gentleman holds the door, asks if he may help, or has a smile and says good'day. It seems to be a most natural part of their upbringing, and they don't think twice about it.
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In Swiss families, I have the impression that the ones that decide family matters -or important matters of any kind- are women.

They are much more direct, taxative and authoritative.

I have also noticed that Swiss women tend to be less feminine. On the same note, I tend to perceive more lesbian women here.

Impressions?
I can only comment on the Swiss German part but you are absolutely correct, Swiss women are the dominant ones in the house. Once they get to 40 with no kids then they (SW) take it to a whole new level, I would say selfishly so if it was not so politically incorrect.
Impressions? I guess if you wear the pants in the household and out you could be mistaken for a lesbian.
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Re: Swiss men weak, Swiss women strong, what's your take?

In my experience, unlike other women, Swiss women (& I've had a few) have no sensibilty at all. They are not clever enough to work out that power comes not from being reasonable sometimes & making themselves attractive when angry but by imitating the worst kind of behaviour of a man.

Most Swiss men are just tulips.

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In my experience, unlike other women, Swiss women (& I've had a few) have no sensibilty at all. They are not clever enough to work out that power comes not from being reasonable sometimes & making themselves attractive when angry but by imitating the worst kind of behaviour of a man.

Most Swiss men are just tossers.
Isn't that a point of most arguments - jump eachother's bones right after? Isn't that why people argue?
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Isn't that a point of most arguments - jump eachother's bones right after? Isn't that why people argue?
Not that I knew of but then I hate arguing (I'm too sensitive for any of that)
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Re: Swiss men weak, Swiss women strong, what's your take?

My general observation about relationships here is that dudes are usually more quiet kind in Switzerland, introvert and shy type whereas ladies are extrovert ones, more chicky and demanding and they make a move on the guy faster than he realizes what's going on around him. I could be wrong though but at the first glance it is clear to me who really runs the show in the relationship and has the last word to say in any argument.
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Transition, what does "being a tulip" mean in this context ?
I've never heard the expression before
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Re: Swiss men weak, Swiss women strong, what's your take?

Jeez, I just can't believe the amount of stereotyping here (again). I took a friend from UK to the station in Yverdon today - as I picked up her case to go up the stairs, a young man (Swiss it seemed) just asked if he could help and took it for us. And as she got on the train and I passed the case on, a young woman just got hold of it and hauled it up with a smile. Some people help, some don't. Some young, some old. Some Swiss, some not - here there everywhere - including the UK.
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