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I really hope that your baby gets better soon... i can understand how frustrated you are with the situation. Maybe you can try Insel hospital here in Bern, we have a very good experience with all the doctors and nurses we encountered.
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I really hope that your baby gets better soon... i can understand how frustrated you are with the situation. Maybe you can try Insel hospital here in Bern, we have a very good experience with all the doctors and nurses we encountered.

hi , Thanks, well since 10 minutes my little one is drinking a little, so that make her and make me feel better.
So i will wait to see how is this night and how is the drinkig, then i will see if i travel to search another doctor.
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I really feel for you Makita and understand your frustration. It is essential at this stage to find somebody who will come with you and speaks good German. How is the temperature, and how was the temperature when you visited the hospital today?

BTW, there is nothing wrong with a new mum needing help and support. I did too, so did my daughter recently in the UK- please do not take this as criticism. You are clearly deprived of sleep - and even though it was such a long time ago, I can remember it so well. Our first baby didn't sleep properly for 2 years, and it nearly sent us nuts, I can tell you. And like you we didn't have parents or family to support us. Unfortunately with little ones, there is often no definite answer- and a lot of patience needed. What does your husband/partner think. As said above it might really help if he could come with you. Is he as concerned as you are?
Perhaps little one would take liquid from a bottle better? Thinking of you.
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Most general practitioners are useless.
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Re: I hate this health system!!!!

Did you go to the Kinderspital in the past few days when she had the high fever ? Did you manage to get a urine sample eventually ?

my son had gastroenteritis, and they could not get a sample in the 6 hours that we were in the hospital, but they sent me home with the sample bags and instructions, and I actually posted the sample back with swisspost! (they gave me a 'post pack' to send it!)...then the kinderspital phoned us 24 hours later to confirm the results, check our boy was feeling better, and let us know that he didn't need any antibiotics or anything...

If you 'shop around' for a doctor then it's really important that you persist and go back to that doctor even if their first advice wasn't enough to keep you happy - then the doctor can actually monitor the progress and know that your child has become more ill..

For example, our third child was weighed in August 2010 and he is now nearly 1 kg lighter than before, after 1 month of viral illnesses (fevers, coughs) and the Paediatrician has this information, so she can tell that he has actually lost weight, and she told us to keep an eye on it and if he loses more weight, to come again to look at whether there is anything more serious.

How old is your child ? I wanted to reassure you (I have three children), that from age 1-3 my kids all had many many minor illnesses, and a few scarier moments (it was not fun with the gastro, he was soooo ill!)...and when I had two children aged 2 and 4 years we had a fixed appointment weekly with the doctor! - if it wasn't one of the kids ill, it was immunisations, or checkups, or I needed the doctor myself...and if I really didn't need the appointment, I'd just phone the night before and cancel!

Spiking fevers over 38 degrees where it comes and goes with no other symptoms (coughing, sneezing, runny nose) could indicate a kidney or ear infection. Very common, and the kids who get them tend to get them over and over again... for the ears, that's not hard to check, but you have to get them checked when you notice anything (bad smell in ears, redness, liquid from the ears)...but the kidney problem can be much harder to catch, because you need a urine sample...

Even if she is drinking some tee (what sort of tea are you giving?) I would still recommend going to the kinderspital...they can tell straight away if she is dehydrated...I know needles and drips are scary for parents and for children (and doctors want to avoid them if they think it can be avoided)- if your child is feeling unwell and not drinking normally, and dehydrated, it can be hard for them to recover, but once they have been rehydrated once properly, they can stay much healthier and eat and drink normally again.

Do you have rehydration drink from the pharmacy ? What about water ?

How much are they drinking ? do they have breastmilk ? Formula or ordinary cow's milk ? Any other drinks ?

What about food - what do they eat ?

My kids always eat really small amounts when they are sick, and as soon as they are better again they eat heaps and heaps...
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The system here is to go to a doctor first for illness, including for example the one at the stations in Winterthur (are you near Winterthur?) and Zurich where you dont need an appointment, just show up. Then generally you only go to "notfall" (emergency) at a hospital, including Kinderspital Zurich or Kantonspital or Lindberg Privatspital in Winterthur in an emergency, for example if your infant is not drinking at all, which could cause dehydration and be fatal.

The doctor will take more time to provide advice; the emergency room at a hospital will check the vital signs, and if they decide you're ok will get you out of there as soon as possible to enable the next emergency to be treated. notfall does not have time to provide a lot of advice.

It sounds like you need advice; a doctor is better for that. Any doctor, including /especially the one in your local community, who treats other kids and also knows if there is a particular virus around. Also each town,no matter how small, has a Mutterberatung "free advice for mothers". Ask your Gemeinde. They probably speak German, so get your husband to call and explain. They will advise you on everything, sleep, food, behavior - also how to help ensure your child also gets enough nutrition, the right food, a humidifier for your apartment etc to help recovery. Mutterberatung can be a lifeline!

If not drinking anything at all, you need the "notfall" /emergency at the hospital. Now. Not tomorrow.

My kids both went via doctors to intensive care when they needed it for viruses; both recovered after serious viruses (encephalitis and bronchitis). I believe the doctors know if your child is seriously ill. But if you are worried, you cannot go too often to check. Instinct is important - but if the doctor says it's ok, then it probably is, then you need care/sleep/food/making child better advice from a different place - emergency rooms are not for advice. that's for a doctor or Mutterberatung - they are better at it.

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Re: I hate this health system!!!!

you need a sample to confirm a case of gastro here? it's pretty easy to diagnose without having to go to that extreme. There 's been an epidemy of it this last month in France, many of friends ( parents + kids ) have had it and nobody has had to send a sample . the symptoms are pretty obvious.
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Makita, it is good you can vent here, if it helps you. Lots of posters sympathize, so I hope you feel like you aren't in it alone. It was extremely frustrating for me too, to truck alone back and forth to an arrogant and bad ped. The ultimate thing is, you aren't happy with your ped, you don't go see him. You transfer to another one, and if that one suits you, you call your old ped to have your file transfered. (check with your insur co if you can transfer). You are not stuck with a doc, who sounds unprofessional, even if it is only in the way he deals with you, as his client. If he has the audacity to "reason" like this with a preggo worried mama who wants her child healthy and who's child is certainly not doing well, you go elsewhere. You absolutely do not need anyone's permition. If that quack makes you feel like "tough titty, mama, you just have to wait it up" while what they told you in the ER was go back to your ped for more testing, I would transfer, with a speed of light. I would also call the ER where they told you to go back to your ped for a follow up tests and report that your ped is refusing and ask what to do. In the meantime, find another ped. It will all be fine. I second the hydrating liquid they sell in pharmacy here, but ask your ped for it (the new ped, that is), it is covered by insur. We also had a bad series of ear inf, thanks to our quacky doc who didn't even want to see us our child's hearing is partially impaired. You can test if your child hears you well. It would explain the fevers, too. Isn't your child 3? YOu can easily make a 3 yr old drink. You have to condition, though. No cartoons until the glass is finished. No sweets until the tea is gone. No fun bath with bubbles until the bottle is empty. Sweaten a lot, too. Anything liquidy is good, soup, poridge, etc. Even sick kids need a bit of discipline. Now, go get yourself a new ped, before it drives you nuts.
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Makita, it is good you can vent here, if it helps you. Lots of posters sympathize, so I hope you feel like you aren't in it alone. It was extremely frustrating for me too, to truck alone back and forth to an arrogant and bad ped. The ultimate thing is, you aren't happy with your ped, you don't go see him. You transfer to another one, and if that one suits you, you call your old ped to have your file transfered. (check with your insur co if you can transfer). You are not stuck with a doc, who sounds unprofessional, even if it is only in the way he deals with you, as his client. If he has the audacity to "reason" like this with a preggo worried mama who wants her child healthy and who's child is certainly not doing well, you go elsewhere. You absolutely do not need anyone's permition. If that quack makes you feel like "tough titty, mama, you just have to wait it up" while what they told you in the ER was go back to your ped for more testing, I would transfer, with a speed of light. I would also call the ER where they told you to go back to your ped for a follow up tests and report that your ped is refusing and ask what to do. In the meantime, find another ped. It will all be fine. I second the hydrating liquid they sell in pharmacy here, but ask your ped for it (the new ped, that is), it is covered by insur. We also had a bad series of ear inf, thanks to our quacky doc who didn't even want to see us our child's hearing is partially impaired. You can test if your child hears you well. It would explain the fevers, too. Isn't your child 3? YOu can easily make a 3 yr old drink. You have to condition, though. No cartoons until the glass is finished. No sweets until the tea is gone. No fun bath with bubbles until the bottle is empty. Sweaten a lot, too. Anything liquidy is good, soup, poridge, etc. Even sick kids need a bit of discipline. Now, go get yourself a new ped, before it drives you nuts.
hi, thanks fr the comment. well thans God today the fever is gonne and my little girl is drinking and eating a little.
Well i already decide to change the doctor, so i will search a new one soon.
Now i spoke with my brother in law is a doctor in sttutgart to see if he can make the studys there, because i get too stress to think to going to a diferent doctor and listen a stupid answer again,
Well i know you can conditionate the drinking in a child from 3 years, but was dificult when she was not looking tv, eating nothing just lay in sofa or bed and wanna sleep all the time.
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hi, thanks fr the comment. well thans God today the fever is gonne and my little girl is drinking and eating a little.
Well i already decide to change the doctor, so i will search a new one soon.
Now i spoke with my brother in law is a doctor in sttutgart to see if he can make the studys there, because i get too stress to think to going to a diferent doctor and listen a stupid answer again,
Well i know you can conditionate the drinking in a child from 3 years, but was dificult when she was not looking tv, eating nothing just lay in sofa or bed and wanna sleep all the time.
Being sleepy could be the virus, but could be also dehydration. You have to force them to drink, sometimes. Really. Even if she does not want to, if she has a fever, then she must at least drink. The solid food I would skip if she insists on not eating, it's part of feeling puny, but drinking is a must. Fizzy drinks, too, or ton of fruits, little pieces of fresh food. Mine is finicky, too, when sick, so it was all about presentation. Serve her in her baby doll dishes, on little spoons, or, make pictures with little pieces of fruits (mosaic). There are some good tips here. I also bought some new colored (bisphenolA free) sippies, to make it more fun. I would also fill in a tiny syringe, to play with some juice, to make her drink from it. They sell a soft syringe for dosing meds for babies, she can serve herself from a cup, and play with it. Even if she refuses, put your foot down and make her drink. Mine usually wouldn't eat, then she would crave fresh fruits and meat, lean chicken, the first day after a hunger strike, or ham, rolled up in a little tube. Don't let this stress you, it's normal parenting situ, just be patient and realize, it's all up to you. You don't like a doc, you change. You pay insurance here (you could also talk to your insurance and ask for a reference to a better ped).
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Dear MaKita,

The health system in Switzerland is generally very good. I would agree that if you're not happy with the treatment you are getting you should see another doctor. After all you know you child better than anyone.

We had a simular experience with our oldest son who is now 14 and fit and healthy. In his case we felt the doctors did too much testing. After trying for about the 4th time to get blood from him we walked out of the hospital with him. The results of the test were inconclusive so we never found out what was wrong with him. The day after the hospital visit he started eating again and never looked back
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you need a sample to confirm a case of gastro here? it's pretty easy to diagnose without having to go to that extreme. There 's been an epidemy of it this last month in France, many of friends ( parents + kids ) have had it and nobody has had to send a sample . the symptoms are pretty obvious.
In my son's case it was not 'viral' or 'contageous' gastro (the sort that comes in the winter time, and everyone catches it from everyone else. That would come up on the blood test as you would have an elevated white blood cell count.

My son had a pathogenic strain of E.Coli. More unusual...especially in a toddler...no one else got it at his childcare...
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How is she today? Has she got her energy back ? The sleeping/ not moving worries me ... three year olds should be full of energy. Is she drinking? Did you try another doctor? If you live near Winterthur I can recommend several if it helps .,, PM me,

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How is she today? Has she got her energy back ? The sleeping/ not moving worries me ... three year olds should be full of energy. Is she drinking? Did you try another doctor? If you live near Winterthur I can recommend several if it helps .,, PM me,

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I agree, my 3yr old would be somnolent one day max, 2-3 when we went through a major chickenpox + mouth/ft/hand disease complication, but otherwise they are spazzy right away, aren't they...I'd be permanetly bugging somebody if my kiddo was not interacting too much.
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How is she today? Has she got her energy back ? The sleeping/ not moving worries me ... three year olds should be full of energy. Is she drinking? Did you try another doctor? If you live near Winterthur I can recommend several if it helps .,, PM me,

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Hi Lisa, well thank God today is the second day without fever, and start to drink milk, yesterday she try to eat normal food ad vomit, but i guess she is getting better, also is drinking water and tee.
For me look better than the other days but, still not full operative, i guess i will give one day more to see her again like the way she really is.
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and to all here in the forum for the advise , today my little one look better and i have to start to think in my appointment from tomorrow to see how is my baby (7 months pregnant) from the heart.
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Drinking is good. The Apotheke can give you a special drink which also provides extra strength/ nutrition which will help her get her energy back. It's for rebuilding/regeneration/rebound? (what's the word?). Get hubby to pick some up on way home from work. It will help get het immune system back up before the next thing hits.

Do you know Nestrovit? White chocolates, with vitamins, for kids. During Winter a lot of people give them daily to their kids. Gotta love Switzerland.

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Drinking is good. The Apotheke can give you a special drink which also provides extra strength/ nutrition which will help her get her energy back. It's for rebuilding/regeneration/rebound? (what's the word?). Get hubby to pick some up on way home from work. It will help get het immune system back up before the next thing hits.

Do you know Nestrovit? White chocolates, with vitamins, for kids. During Winter a lot of people give them daily to their kids. Gotta love Switzerland.

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Hi, i dont know nestrovit, but i will search it , and i will told my husband to stop at the farmacy, thanks again.
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One last nag (I am a coach, I can't help it);

By when will you have found a new doctor in your neighborhood? Will you look in the Internet today and find a new one nearby? Or ask the Mutterberatung in your Gemeinde or Kreisburo for the name of one?

You need to have a plan for next time ... there will be a next time.

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Makita, I'm surprised the doctors haven't told you not to give your daughter milk if she has a bad cough or tummy troubles.
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you see?? i dont know that!! i told them , sometimes the "only thing she drink is milk", and they never say that was wrong...
so i will not give more milk until she get better, thanks for the info.
I'm following your story with interest, and I'm glad your daughter is getting better, but can I stress: while I actually agree with Oldhand (dairy products can make coughs worse, and can make an upset stomarch worse), do consider very carefully before acting on the advice of complete strangers.

I hope you find a doctor you can trust and communicate with. There are some good ones here.
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Sometimes they do a lot of tests without reason...They kept my friends wife for 3 months in hospital and did all possible tests...Finally they said she is OK and doesn't have any disease. Crazy...
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