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I hate this health system!!!!

Since november my little one is with just a viral infeccion (like the doctors called here), am totally stress , dont make any exams or nothing, how they are sure of that?
In my country you go and they show you all the exams they make to search something... but here just listen the heart and lungs and looking the ears and calling just a normal and simple infection.
Today i was at the kinderspital, my little girl with 41° of fever and again just a viral infection, how can be since november is like 5 days with fever and then like 3 or 4 days fine, cough and vomiting also come and go.
what can i do?
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Is there a specialist children's hospital in Zurich, like l'hopital de l'enfance in Lausanne? You can ask for a referral to a specialist. Be firm about it and keep insisting. Hope it works out.
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Is there a specialist children's hospital in Zurich, like l'hopital de l'enfance in Lausanne? You can ask for a referral to a specialist. Be firm about it and keep insisting. Hope it works out.

hi the Kinderspital is the same like the l'hopital de l'enfance in Lausanne, the problem is i explain today to the doctor, and she dont give any importance to the problem, and say i have to talk later about the problem with the doktor from my little girl, the problem is they also dont do nothing...
so am always there.. i wish i just can go to a laboratory and take the exams myself.
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hi the Kinderspital is the same like the l'hopital de l'enfance in Lausanne, the problem is i explain today to the doctor, and she dont give any importance to the problem, and say i have to talk later about the problem with the doktor from my little girl, the problem is they also dont do nothing...
so am always there.. i wish i just can go to a laboratory and take the exams myself.
Go to an other doctor. The problem isn't the health system but the human being you deal with.

If you don't feel happy with the doctor you got, you should look for a second, third opinion.

You are the mother, you can see your daughter has something that doesn't go away. They are doctors, not God!

Best of luck!
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Old 29.01.2011, 23:48
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If it makes you feel any better, our 3 year old was coughing and not eating well from about a week before Christmas, for 4 weeks, then better for about 2 days before catching a vomiting virus... he seems better today, and now he's coughing again...

But we've seen three different Paediatricians over that time, and all of them did a blood test to screen for infection, checked the ears and lungs, and he hasn't been 'spiking' fevers...

It seems to be a nasty winter (although I have a suspicion all winters are 'nasty' here in Switzerland) - lots of cough and cold, flu, gastro. I've heard of four children so far treated for Pnuemonia - my daughter was checked and given 3 days high dose antiobiotic 'just in case' because her lungs came up with some suspicious bacteria...

I second Nil's suggestion of seeking a second opinion, but apart from doing a blood test, checking the lungs and ears is pretty much the best indicator of what is going on...and there are definitely plenty of viral illnesses going around, and pretty much there's nothing you can give to treat them, more nose spray, something to drop the fever if it's considered 'too high' and maybe something to help with the mucous...
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Go to an other doctor. The problem isn't the health system but the human being you deal with.

If you don't feel happy with the doctor you got, you should look for a second, third opinion.

You are the mother, you can see your daughter has something that doesn't go away. They are doctors, not God!

Best of luck!

i well believe me i try, but here when you wanna a second opinion they look you weird, one day i was with one doktor in zurich, and she start to question me about why i dont have my children doctor in uster, why am there and bla bla... i guess i will go to another kanton...
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Re: I hate this health system!!!!

Nil is correct. Follow your mama instinct, you know.
Find another doctor and ask for blood tests.
Try and collect her medical history too from the different doctors or have the new doctor do so.
Find a doctor with whom you are comfortable and with whom you can communicate well.
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i well believe me i try, but here when you wanna a second opinion they look you weird, one day i was with one doktor in zurich, and she start to question me about why i dont have my children doctor in uster, why am there and bla bla... i guess i will go to another kanton...
It must be irritating to be given the second degree like that .. but try to ignore it, maybe they are just being curious??? We changed doctors recently for our little boy when our first kinderarzt kept insisting on giving homoeopathic treatment when he had a persistant and bad eye infection. The second doctor simply asked if it was a one off consultation or whether we were changing doctors permanently. It was as easy as that.

I come from the UK and there it is very hard to get a second opinion outside the practice you are registered with. I found it a pleasant change here to be able to literally go to the doctor I wanted to go to. So pick a good second or third doctor (one that has been recommended perhaps?) and book an appointment for Monday. There is an awful lot of nasties going around but that is no reason for your little one to not have full attention and checks.
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Go to an other doctor. The problem isn't the health system but the human being you deal with.

If you don't feel happy with the doctor you got, you should look for a second, third opinion.

You are the mother, you can see your daughter has something that doesn't go away. They are doctors, not God!

Best of luck!
I would like to disagree will Nil - just because but in this case she is correct, our youngest (12months) has had a bout of the same thing, the kinder spital (and our doctor) have been great but it comes us as nothing normal "give me a pill its fixed". And they tested for everything as we had just come back from holidays. Also worth checking is your house, the little bugger got into the pot plants 3 days ago and ate some dirt and now he is sick again!! coincidence?? who knows, we have them all out of reach but he has just learnt to stand up this week. Insurance does play a part in any hospital treatment here but Zurich kinderspital have been great.
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Good advice from Swisspea here. It is always so difficult to reply to such posts without knowing the exact case and details of course. And I can see that perhaps you feel a second opinion would help. On the other hand isn't it excellent news that the doctor, having examined your child, thinks that it is a series of viral infections rather than something more serious? Viral infections do not respond to antibiotics, and repeated antibiotic treatment leads to resistance. So would antibiotics really be reassurance for you? Many countries still see giving antibiotics as a (dangerous) panacea for everything, with resistance getting much more dangerous than the original illness. It would be interesting to know where you come from- to better understand how you feel that treatment here is so different.
Being a mum is very hard - and I remember getting really anxious whenever my babies got bad colds - and still do now when my grand-children are ill - they seem to permanently have some cold or other (in the UK). How old is your baby/toddler? Did you visit your GP or a pediatrician? And how many opinions have you had so far. Do you think you might have a communication/language problem with the doctor- if so perhaps you could ask a friend to come with you. Hope your little one gets better soon.
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It must be irritating to be given the second degree like that .. but try to ignore it, maybe they are just being curious??? We changed doctors recently for our little boy when our first kinderarzt kept insisting on giving homoeopathic treatment when he had a persistant and bad eye infection. The second doctor simply asked if it was a one off consultation or whether we were changing doctors permanently. It was as easy as that.

I come from the UK and there it is very hard to get a second opinion outside the practice you are registered with. I found it a pleasant change here to be able to literally go to the doctor I wanted to go to. So pick a good second or third doctor (one that has been recommended perhaps?) and book an appointment for Monday. There is an awful lot of nasties going around but that is no reason for your little one to not have full attention and checks.
I changed my daughter's doctor because I didn't like the people who work for him. They were having this patronising attitude and the doctor itself was talking a lot to look clever but wasn't listening much.

Her doctor she has since is wonderful. He takes his time, contact the hospital himself if needed and even called to get some news when she was very sick.

I got the same experience myself. The Gyne I had before was not very listening and nothing was a big deal. I felt like I wasn't taken seriously. The one I have now is wonderful and she is doing so much to make sure I am comfortable. Same as the generalist and specialists doctors who take care of me. All of them are great because they listen.
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Good advice from Swisspea here. It is always so difficult to reply to such posts without knowing the exact case and details of course. And I can see that perhaps you feel a second opinion would help. On the other hand isn't it excellent news that the doctor, having examined your child, thinks that it is a series of viral infections rather than something more serious? Viral infections do not respond to antibiotics, and repeated antibiotic treatment leads to resistance. So would antibiotics really be reassurance for you? Many countries still see giving antibiotics as a (dangerous) panacea for everything, with resistance getting much more dangerous than the original illness. It would be interesting to know where you come from- to better understand how you feel that treatment here is so different.
Being a mum is very hard - and I remember getting really anxious whenever my babies got bad colds - and still do now when my grand-children are ill - they seem to permanently have some cold or other (in the UK). How old is your baby/toddler? Did you visit your GP or a pediatrician? And how many opinions have you had so far. Do you think you might have a communication/language problem with the doctor- if so perhaps you could ask a friend to come with you. Hope your little one gets better soon.
hi, thanks, well am comming from chile, so my mother tonge is spanish, here i dont found a children doktor who speak good spanish (castellano) some of them put in the resume like they sepeak spanish, but when you arrive they just answer yes or no, nothing more.
In chile of course they dont give antibiotics for viral things , but when you go to the doctor you tell your problem, they say what can be , and then run some test, and you also can ask if they can run some test.
here nothing...for me is so stressing see my little girl is almost 3 everyday jumping and singing like a maniac, and then for example today she was crying and almost cant be in her feets and sleepy and tired.
We have again appointment tomorrow at the kinderspital, because my little one is not drinking, well one hour ago she drink milk, after 20 minutes she put it out...
so they will put some things tomorrow for restore the water in her system, but again i hate this simple answer is just a simple viral thing, nothing to worry, my little sleep so bad, dont eat , and i cant give for the rest of her life paracetamol, i understand in the end too much is bad, but again when i told that to the doctor i was giving paracetamol like 5 days then 3 days not, she say ahh is fine is not everyday.... bt OMG! is 2 monts like that!
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Makita, I'm surprised the doctors haven't told you not to give your daughter milk if she has a bad cough or tummy troubles.
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Makita, I'm surprised the doctors haven't told you not to give your daughter milk if she has a bad cough or tummy troubles.
you see?? i dont know that!! i told them , sometimes the "only thing she drink is milk", and they never say that was wrong...
so i will not give more milk until she get better, thanks for the info.
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Just a thought (I am NO expert) - but perhaps ask to check for a urinary infection as they can give high fever and vomiting apparently. Good luck. Do you have a bilingual friend who can come with you so you can explain everything and understand replies clearly. Good luck.

Another very simple thought for the cough. Swiss apartments are often over-heated and the air very dry. I used to boil a kettle or pan of water to increase humidity- also put some damp towels on radiators, it really helps with dry coughs.
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hi, well alwas i go to the doktor alone and well the doktor speak english (mine is not so good..just learn with tv) but they understand with no problem what am talking about , but they dont make a big deal of that.
and today i was with my husband (german) so we explain in germand and english , after i almost cry for a urine exam they put the little bag for make it, but my little one dont make it because she was not drinking to much.
after i was finish i ask again if they can make the urine exam tomorrow when they will see her again, and i ask for the kit, so i will take the urine myself and take it tomorrow to the hospital, still i will like they run some blood test and make and x.ray from the lungs but i will see, i gues i will have to cry for that...
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MaKita, be persistent. If you don't like the care you receive, get a different doc. Have her checked for encefalitis, kids puke and are somnolent, high persistent fevers. If your child is swallen, can't put her chin down and is sleepy and not herself, it could be complication after the first couple of infections. Be very calm when you deal with health professionals here, they tend to listen more when people are not in hysterics. If nothing helps, and she keeps having fevers, bring her to ER tomorrow, explain why you are worried and when you leave, ask to be referred to another, better quality pediatrician. We had to change a couple of times, well worth it, the one we have now seems not only way more competent, but also a lot more professional. My ped refused to schedule an appointment even on a couple of ocassions, like when my child was not even a year with very high fevers and super dehydrated due to a week long diarrhea, so I started taking my child to ER, the ped slowly got more cooperative when ER reports started coming to our ped file. Sometimes you have to be a lot more assertive than one would like to be.
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Today i was at the kinderspital, my little girl with 41° of fever and again just a viral infection, how can be since november is like 5 days with fever and then like 3 or 4 days fine, cough and vomiting also come and go. what can i do?
Was something wrong with your pediatrician that you had to go to the hospital?

In any case, change your pediatrician if you do not trust your current one. It is very difficult to know the professional competence of a pediatrician, however, you immediately know whether you have trust or not.

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I've had the same condition for over three years now. I've heard everything from the doctors, from bacterial, here have some antibiotics, to viral, aka we have no idea what's wrong with you, to this on my last visit... I stupidly suggested to the doctor, that as they were having problems curing me, maybe we could finally discuss some strategies to control the condition. "Well, Ms. L, there are thing we want to do but we can't. We are all sick you know, and you must now look within, to find your crucifix and heal yourself." Right. So WTF am I paying KK for?!?
Good luck with the little one and remember, don't expect much from doctors..... or dentists for that matter.
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Hi Makita, I'm sorry, I didn't wish your daughter a speedy recovery when I mentioned the milk.
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