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Old 01.02.2011, 15:40
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

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Yeah, but that's on top of your desk job, no? As a generalisation, most people eat too much compared to what they are doing day to day.




In my recent experience, my reduced calory intake was simply a function eating less, moving more:
  • not having much time to get food
  • having limited spare food lying around (on building site, although we did have snacks available)
  • not having time to stop, no coffee, no tea
  • not sitting a desk all day, being bored and posting on EF (look at my post count for that period )
I've lost my fair amount of KG since I arrived. Most of it comes from what you said above, except the EF posts of course.thursday I weighted 74




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If you are talking about weight divisions, then yes, I agree, it is more complex as you are trying to achieve and maintain a specific goal. But just loosing weight? Nope, fairly simple as Ruskov says.
Still not simple as you'd think as you need to be able to keep muscle when "just losing weight" otherwise you're just messing yourself up and as soon as you stopdieting you'll probably end up bouncing back - the muscle you lost.

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Old 01.02.2011, 15:51
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

I would prefer to lose weight than have loose weight.
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Old 01.02.2011, 16:13
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I would prefer to lose weight than have loose weight.
yady yady ya... was rushing to a meeting and didn't have time to proof-read
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Old 01.02.2011, 16:23
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Since I came in Switzerland I gained 10 kilos ... looks like I love too much cheese and chocolate ... I am actually a cheese freak, I just love it.

Now I think it's about the time to do something with my extra kilos and I think it will work better with company for the challenge and support.

Who want's to start a diet with me? I am thinking to start with a dissociate eating plan for a week and then starting to eat normal but healthy.

Did you try some eating plans that were successful? Of course combined with more sports.
Last year I lost 10kg.
I worked out a lot - plenty of cardio exercising (i.e. actively burning the fat). Raised my protein intake and lowered my pasta based meals. Didn't really give up dramatically on the other pleasant things in life - 1 good glass of wine, 1 good piece of cheese, plenty of veggies, oil and butter in homeopathic quantities ;-)
I didn't actually look to lose weight - I just wanted to get back into a good sport condition, weight loss was a *consequence*.

While there's nothing wrong di per se in looking for company, do it *with* and *for* yourself. Keep in mind that even when you don't think there's been that much of an improvement, your body *is* actually changing, you condition is improving (that's why the focus should NOT be on the weight, IMHO)
Love yorself all the way, even when you think your goal is not as far as you'd want it to be at that moment.

Last but not least, enjoy this experience!

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Old 01.02.2011, 16:33
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oil and butter in homeopathic quantities ;-)


When I "lost weight" I looked much skinnier and I hardly lose any weight. I built up muscle
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Old 01.02.2011, 17:02
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When I "lost weight" I looked much skinnier and I hardly lose any weight. I built up muscle
Yep - fuggot to mention that.
My wife at a point was going bonkers... kept complaining that she wasn't losing weight despite the gym, etc, etc.
Then she tried wearing something she hadn't worn in ages, and a big smile ensued...

I realize that I could probably be underweight, at this current stage (80kg, 183 cm, appx 14% body fat). It is even interesting that, according to a recent piece on the NYT, not all athletes perform "better" at a lower body weight (I'll see if I can find the link).

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Old 01.02.2011, 17:05
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Yep - fuggot to mention that.
My wife at a point was going bonkers... kept complaining that she wasn't losing weight despite the gym, etc, etc.
Then she tried wearing something she hadn't worn in ages, and a big smile ensued...

I realize that I could probably be underweight, at this current stage (80kg, 183 cm, appx 14% body fat). It is even interesting that, according to a recent piece on the NYT, not all athletes perform "better" at a lower body weight (I'll see if I can find the link).

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That's why I never weigh myself. The way my clothes fit and the way I feel are a much better indicator of fitness than a scale.
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

The thing is right now I have too much time and not enough ambition to start using all this time in a constructive way.

Its true, one has "to cut the craps and do something about it" but I was never into sports that much, I don't have that spirit that's why I was thinking to find a "diet buddy". My English is probably not very proper since I am not a native English speaking person and I still can improve it, but by diet I don't mean "the miracle diets" when you eat nothing, I know all these stuff, I am not stupid. By diet I mean some sort of mental rule-set of eating.

So my suggested "detox diet" would be something like i.e. today veggies, tomorrow milk products, the day after tomorrow chicken, fish etc or carbo for example and no alcohol for a month. No fried stuff or sweets.

Besides all that, there are people like me with a slow metabolism, with a lazy pancreas and all that insulin excess goes ... wherever ... everywhere. Here the need of detox once in a while I think. On the other hand I don't see how one can lose weight if not dieting, detox a little bit. After 1 hour of jogging and having a beer afterwards doesn't really help you to loose weight so much.

Anyway, with all that, mostly I have to fight with my motivation and find a sport that I like. I am not motivated enough (I like myself as I am even now, I am no drama queen about my looking). I would just like to fit back in my old clothes. I was thinking to start squash. I don't really do jogging or biking on my own...maybe swimming.

So if anyone interested in starting squash, badminton or jogging/ biking together and try to eat less im am up to it!
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Old 01.02.2011, 18:08
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Last but not least, enjoy this experience!

Cheers!

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You just made me feel more motivated! Thank you for your reply!
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Old 01.02.2011, 18:14
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

Hi Apple, Metabolism doesn't have to be slow. You can boost your metabolism with sports. It actually makes the body burn energy faster.
Dieting is never enough without the workouts.
I lost 10 kg in one year only with dieting. Then I lost an additional 20 kg in 6 months with dieting and sports.
Now I hit the gym 3 x a week and it has simply become a habit.
In regards to food, what Soleil said does work.
-No carbs in the afternoon or evening.
-Try and dissociate what you eat so that you do not combine any carbs with protein.
-More protein
-Don't go hungry.. ever (you'll stop losing)
-Stay as fit as you can to retain good muscle tone.

Do ask your doctor if you can start a diet before doing so.
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

I think it is also a good idea to stick to whole, natural foods where possible - if organic, even better. At least try to avoid processed foods and those containing lots of additives, E numbers, etc

And stick to a healthy, balanced diet, without actually cutting out any one particular food group.

Having said that, I know people who have lost lots of weight on both the Hip and Thigh diet (minimal fat) and the Atkins (no carbs) but I personally feel that both of these are a bit extreme.
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Old 01.02.2011, 18:37
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

Nicola is right, no carbs at all is not good either. The body needs carbs.
I found though that weight loss is better when you eat only the carbs in the morning and stop at lunch.
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It is even interesting that, according to a recent piece on the NYT, not all athletes perform "better" at a lower body weight (I'll see if I can find the link).
I do not know if I would classify myself as an athlete but have been doing CrossFit since May. I have gained muscle, but still lost 18kg (10 of which was in first 3 months, so it has been a long battle).

Funny thing is, I find skiing harder this year as I go slower and get cold really quickly .

(For the record, I don't eat carbs after 6pm, but happily do the rest of the time).
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Funny thing is, I find skiing harder this year as I go slower and get cold really quickly .
Lighter and less padding. 'Tis healthier though!
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

yup, less thermal insulation is the cause..
but so much nicer innit ?
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Old 01.02.2011, 19:01
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

But I can't beat all my male friends anymore .
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Funny thing is, I find skiing harder this year as I go slower and get cold really quickly .
A similar thing happened to me with alcohol tolerance. I've lost quite a bit of weight since last year and it took a few parties to realize that I can't drink like I used to when I weighed ~25kg more and the alcohol had fat cells to play around in.
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But I can't beat all my male friends anymore .
Yes you can, just use a bat! They won't mind.
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Old 01.02.2011, 19:09
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

Finding a way of losing weight which isn't sport and isn't dull exercise is hard, but dance classes for example burn loads of calories and happen to be fun. One has to be careful not to drink too much alcohol in such social settings, though.

I danced salsa a million years ago and the workout was great. One thing leads to another and positive reinforcement is really important. You start off kinda gangly / dorky but after a very short period you're hip to hip with your dance partner and dancing leads to being more attractive which leads to you know what.

Running about on a February morning on your lonesome seems kinda antisocial. Find a dance class, meet people, lose weight and enjoy your effort.

Especially as a chap; the ratios are heaven.

Where the gubbins is Salsa_Lover when we need him?

Also, walk and cycle as much as possible. It makes a huge difference to keep things ticking over and the juices flowing.

Personally I like to eat all kinds of sweet rubbish and sit on the sofa, but I'm #1 already so don't need to try any harder...
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No diet needed. Eat less, move more.
Carlitos as much as I love you isn't THAT a diet? (said the fat chick )
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