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Not quite. Whilst I totally agree with you from an idealistic, 'sensible' approach, there's a reason doctors use a VLCD for some cases. A lot of people need to experience an initial, rapid loss to motivate them to stick to a long-term lifestyle plan. I don't like saying it but the end justifies the means for some people. Without this instant gratification, they won't stick to the plan later.
Sure, I'm not denying it works in some cases, but I'd like to see the long-term success rate of such things. It's too bad to have to use the same methods for weight loss (instant gratification) that got them to the state they're in in the first place. A long-term change of mindset and attitude should be stressed from the very beginning, instead of catering to people's whims. But as you said, in a perfect world...
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Although I'm not a great big lard arse yet, if I don't change my ways I'll become one. I sit in an office with other fat blokes, and I exercise too infrequently. I want to stop this slow decline to obesity and be more active and slim. I'm sick of buying increasingly larger clothing, and also eating junk.

I did the home truth tests: -

Yes, I can pinch ...an inch (actually, it's way more than an inch).

Yes, I fail the wobble test although I won't admit how many cycles it continues after I stop moving.

Yes, my BMI is creeping dangerously towards lardy-gut-bucket.

Yes, I sometimes sweat while having sex, which for some reason girls don't find romantic, although I think they should appreciate how much I'm trying.

I've dieted successfully before. But it's got increasingly harder as I've got older, so this time I'm doing it with some structure. I've decided to do one of these faddy diets. I find I can stick to a ridged structure much more easily.

I've looked at several and decided on the South Beach diet. Don't know if this is the best, but seems more suitable for a lactose intolerant piscatarian - which I am. (Yes, I know, why did I choose to live in a land locked country whose principle diet is meat and cheese?) I also like to be full so didn't want one of those micro diets. The Atkins diet is all meat and fat. Yuk.

The biggest problems I face are: -

1) Food preparation. This is going to be difficult. I don't have much free time, I have a temporary kitchen at the moment, I don't like cooking, and shopping I actively loathe.

2) Alcohol. I'm not a raging alcoholic, but I do like a drink. Couple of years ago I did give up for 3.5 months and that wasn't too difficult, and in the end I didn't miss it, so I will do the same again.

3) Fruit. I really like fruit. This diet eliminates it initially.

As well as dieting I'm going to do more exercise, especially in the morning.

I'm not getting on the scales every day - or even every week. Instead, I'm going to do the best I can for 4 months. If I'm phenomenally thin before then I will stop because I don't want to loose my cuddliness. I want to loose approx 22 pounds/10 kg in that time, then I should be able to wear my honest trousers - the ones that don't stretch that you used to be able to get in. They don't lie.

Also, I'm not going to think about what happens after the diet. Clearly I don't want to put the weight back on, but I'll plough that furrow when I reach it. I suspect I’ll be adapted to a more healthy lifestyle by then.

Anyway, tonight I finish the last of my whiskey and have a large meal, for tomorrow the diet begins - eggs and broccoli for breakfast!
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

Congrats for the courageous choice.
Let me tell you one thing re. exercise (told from someone who at the end had leg cramps every other night and who couldn't slip on a pair of socks standing up anymore, etc,etc).
It makes you feel GOOD.... and it doesn't make you feel necessarily more hungry.
Today I sweated off 950 Kcal @ the gym. Don't you even begin to think that I rushed out to buy myself a fishburger and a double serving of fries.
I just didn't feel any craving at all - and I *love* good food (especially cheese) and good wine.
So as you imply, there's a change of mindset that is called for. And I bet you'll like the results. I can stare at an almost-sixpack tummy now, whilst before I had practically lost sight of Da Prez
Oh yeah - s3x is more fun now, too

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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

Different strokes for different folks, you need to mix it up a bit to get anything to work or your (well mine anyway!!) seems to adjust to it. I lost 24kgs over 4 years the last 8kgs here so Switzerland is not really the problem, my weight has been constant the last 4 years. The basic plan was to "eat" myself thin, ie if I was never hungry I would never overeat, my body always having it's needs met didn't have to store fat. What worked for me at the time was firstly increasing my water intake to 4/5 litres a day, porrige for breakfast nearly every day, fruit at 9.30 and 3.30, a bit bigger lunch and keeping carbs to a minimum in the evenings and not with meat, although I do it (meat and carbs) regularly now without a problem. And having a Swiss wife dragging me up and down mountains all over the world.


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Although I'm not a great big lard arse yet, if I don't change my ways I'll become one.

I've dieted successfully before. But it's got increasingly harder as I've got older, so this time I'm doing it with some structure. I've decided to do one of these faddy diets. I find I can stick to a ridged structure much more easily.

I've looked at several and decided on the South Beach diet. Don't know if this is the best, but seems more suitable for a lactose intolerant piscatarian - which I am. (Yes, I know, why did I choose to live in a land locked country whose principle diet is meat and cheese?) I also like to be full so didn't want one of those micro diets. The Atkins diet is all meat and fat. Yuk.

The biggest problems I face are: -

1) Food preparation. This is going to be difficult. I don't have much free time, I have a temporary kitchen at the moment, I don't like cooking, and shopping I actively loathe.

2) Alcohol. I'm not a raging alcoholic, but I do like a drink. Couple of years ago I did give up for 3.5 months and that wasn't too difficult, and in the end I didn't miss it, so I will do the same again.

3) Fruit. I really like fruit. This diet eliminates it initially.

As well as dieting I'm going to do more exercise, especially in the morning.

I'm not getting on the scales every day - or even every week. Instead, I'm going to do the best I can for 4 months. If I'm phenomenally thin before then I will stop because I don't want to loose my cuddliness. I want to loose approx 22 pounds/10 kg in that time, then I should be able to wear my honest trousers - the ones that don't stretch that you used to be able to get in. They don't lie.

Also, I'm not going to think about what happens after the diet. Clearly I don't want to put the weight back on, but I'll plough that furrow when I reach it. I suspect I’ll be adapted to a more healthy lifestyle by then.

Anyway, tonight I finish the last of my whiskey and have a large meal, for tomorrow the diet begins - eggs and broccoli for breakfast!
I went on a diet last year and lost 20 kgs. I needed to as I was type 2 diabetic with high blood pressure. So my life depended on it ; can't think of a better motivation. If I eat bad then I will die. I am in my late 50s so it is never too late.

Second keep it simple. don't try to quit every thing all at once and try to chnage your whole life at once or you while become overwhelmed and eventually give up. Keep it simple.

Third, stay out of the future. When you start thinking about the future you will again become overwhelmed this time by the amount of time. One day at a time.

Fourth remain calm. A lot of over eaters are anxious and try to calm themselves with food or what ever.

I am a coach and find that your state of mind is so important- I applied what I teach people regarding remaining calm and it worked for me also.

Also, many of the fads diets are not healthy. Pick up the book The China Study. Quite an eye opener.

I found that the culprits are refined carbs and sugars.

Remember keep it simple and slow and easy.
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

Ok here it was worked for me a couple of years back, i needed to loose around 6 kilos for my girlfriend to like me again.

I started of with the one-week Biovea juice detox (a full kit you can get at your local drogerie). Btw, "detox" is BS - our kidneys do a pretty good job at detoxing, so good we can actually survive on one. If the body would accumulate toxins we would all be dead at 30.

ANYWAY i lost 2-3 quick KG:s (mostly water but still, got me motivated). Then one month with morning powerwalks before breakfast, ca 45 mins. No alcohol or junk food what so ever. A healthy mix of protein and slow carbs, you need carbs to live. You cant function at work on a stupid atkins diet, believe me..ive tried it.

A good thing with the Biovea detox is that you become much more aware of what you put into your system, suddenly mcdonalds doesnt seem that tasty anymore.

Well i lost them in around 1.5-2 months. Good luck.
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Since I came in Switzerland I gained 10 kilos ... looks like I love too much cheese and chocolate ... I am actually a cheese freak, I just love it.

Now I think it's about the time to do something with my extra kilos and I think it will work better with company for the challenge and support.

Who want's to start a diet with me? I am thinking to start with a dissociate eating plan for a week and then starting to eat normal but healthy.

Did you try some eating plans that were successful? Of course combined with more sports.
Did you get someone to diet with you? I can be your e-buddy, to keep the motivation going! I need it too!!

I can only say, if you have friends who do dieting together it is easier to "control" . Yes the simple rule is do more exercise, and you hear often that, diet is not needed. But some sort of "control" on what you eat and how much you eat is definitely the way to lose weight.

Watch out what you eat.The tricky part for me is often maintaining the weight as it seems to be " continuous journey" as against reaching a certain target.

More of proteins ,less of carb /sugar/oil .. as simple as it seems, it is very difficult to keep them at bay!

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I am not gonna explain why body detox is necessary or healthy from time to time, even if you don't plan to loose weight...

Some of us we need more efforts to become active again and to have the weight that we want. Besides my cheese and chocolate period I could gain weight even from air. All the feminine side of my family - mother, grandmothers are overweighted ...
10 kilograms of weight gain is pretty extreme, it can be very difficult to get active while being heavy, joint pain, shin splints and decreased lung capacity can make it extremely difficult to do the required exercise.

Decreasing your calorific intake by approx 500cal per day leads to weight loss, once the weight has been lost running or impact sports will become much easier. non impact activity such as swimming or light free weights could help to burn the cals. Cheese is high protein and really should be limited any food obsession is detrimental; eat a balanced diet and normal portion sizes.
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Fourth remain calm. A lot of over eaters are anxious and try to calm themselves with food or what ever.

I am a coach and find that your state of mind is so important- I applied what I teach people regarding remaining calm and it worked for me also.

I found that the culprits are refined carbs and sugars.
Yes the state of mind is very important. Spot on!
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Drink as much tap water as you can, every day.
Even force yourself on that one a little...
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Drink as much tap water as you can, every day.
Even force yourself on that one a little...
Why do you stress on tap water, is mineral water not good
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Why do you stress on tap water, is mineral water not good
Mineral water is sure good (without gas)
Only when drinking 4 liters a day, that means quite some bottle-carrying, and it costs, while our tap water is of excellent quality.
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10 kilograms of weight gain is pretty extreme, it can be very difficult to get active while being heavy, joint pain, shin splints and decreased lung capacity can make it extremely difficult to do the required exercise.

Decreasing your calorific intake by approx 500cal per day leads to weight loss, once the weight has been lost running or impact sports will become much easier. non impact activity such as swimming or light free weights could help to burn the cals. Cheese is high protein and really should be limited any food obsession is detrimental; eat a balanced diet and normal portion sizes.
Been there lost that.
The bike is your friend - less stress on the knees and on your back than running. Elliptical machines also work very well.
Isometric exercises can be another source of easy, at-home regime ... it doesn't need to be anything gruelling, really.
Eating less carbs - especially at night - can make a helluva difference.
And "dieting" in my case has not meant having to give up pleasant things completely - I just indulge once a week, once every 10 days.
Example: pizza. I used to have pizza 2-3 times/week. Now it's only 1 x week max.

But I'd like to stress one thing.
You WILL see your body transform. It WILL feel good, trust me. THAT will be what will keep you going.
The pain isn't the motivator - it's the sensation of feeling much better.

BTW exercising will make you feel and LOOK younger, I've seen it on myself (actually my wife is now afraid that some twentysome girl will notice me ).
And if you need even more "sicentific" proof of the preceding sentence, here is a recent NYT article:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/0...eep-you-young/

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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

Actually, got on the scales for the first time in a long time this morning and it's more like 27lb / 13kg I need to loose. Jeez, that fat really creeps up on you.

Makes me all the more determined to do this. Have my tuna salad ready for lunch, not the usual friday pizza.
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Mineral water is sure good (without gas)
Only when drinking 4 liters a day, that means quite some bottle-carrying, and it costs, while our tap water is of excellent quality.
Thnx, yes I drink water (without gas),tap water at home which i agree is excellent quality, but mineral water at the office. Though I find gas water is quite popular here.
By the way,Most healthy adults need only between one and a half to three litres I only tend to drink 1 to 1.5 litres, but 4 litres is too much

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Been there lost that.
The bike is your friend - less stress on the knees and on your back than running. Elliptical machines also work very well.
I agree with that, but I'm ok with running. I also have a rowing boat and live near a lake so plan on doing that more.
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I agree with that, but I'm ok with running. I also have a rowing boat and live near a lake so plan on doing that more.
You lucky. Is there any way you can walk home, at a brisk pace, from work?
A polar cardio watch would help - you want to keep your heart rate between 100 and 120 bpm in order to attain some kind of meaningful fat reduction. At higher rates you're mostly consuming sugars.

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diets... as one friend once said, they are all expensive... and never work in long term People are always looking for quick solutions to their problems, even when there is not a one.
As said many times before, the only way to loose weight is to change your habits. Permanently. What you eat and how much calories do you burn. Income cannot be much greater than outcome, simple math. Why do that? Because You will actually feel better for whole time, have more energy for life, live longer and you will like what you see in mirror
You don't have to spend 2 hours everyday in gym, I can understand why many people give up after a while. Sterile, shitty enviroment, looking at some really muscular types etc.
Here is what is helping me - do not avoid activities, choose longer roads to work, walk as much as possible. It clears Your mind, and if You have some steep hill or stairs, conquer them! But key is what You do during weekends - here we have one of the most beautiful mountains in the world, it would be shame not to enjoy them. "You cannot feel bad when looking up" - works 100% for me. Simple trekking, NOT sightseeing via cable cars, but let Your feet do the work.
That is 50% of the magic. Food is rest - eat less, more often. Never feel hungry, never full. It was an automatic switch to this regime for me when coming here, but it might not be so easy for others. Think little bit about food You eat - what it contains. Don't look hysterically on nutrition tables, rather try to understand how body processes different components, and what are they good for (or not). How long does it take do digest them. And so on.
I would say good luck, but loosing weight has nothing to do with it - it is all about knowing Your body, how it works and determination to achieve something.
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Thnx, yes I drink water (without gas),tap water at home which i agree is excellent quality, but mineral water at the office. Though I find gas water is quite popular here.
By the way,Most healthy adults need only between one and a half to three litres I only tend to drink 1 to 1.5 litres, but 4 litres is too much
Well 4 liters os good when doing a diet, cause:
- the day is long!
- it detoxes the body
- makes your tummy feel full, and one eats less

With gas is popular, but it's acid, and that isnt good for your body.
Also mineral water with "lots of various minerals" are not good for you, cause they are "anorganic minerals" and your body cant do anything with it. It is as healthy for you like salt.
To get "organic minerals" which you need, you have to get them from veggies, such as celery
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Been there lost that.
The bike is your friend - less stress on the knees and on your back than running. Elliptical machines also work very well.
Yup, a home exercise bike was awesome for me. You can do really intense exercise without messing up your joints. The main reason I've gone from overweight back to my optimal weight in the last 8 months (dropped around 20-25kg).
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You WILL see your body transform. It WILL feel good, trust me. THAT will be what will keep you going.
The pain isn't the motivator - it's the sensation of feeling much better.
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Strangely, the opposite has happened for me, getting rid of my babyface has made me look older. I don't get asked for ID when buying booze anymore. I've noticed older women are acting differently towards me now. And it's awesome to see the girlfriend's jealousy to go from joking to "kinda joking but not really".
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