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you need carbs to live. .
Yes, you are correct in that we need carbs but the right kind of carbs. I completely cut out all refined cards, white flour white rice etc. I even avoid wheat even the dark. But this is my choice. Alspo I ma lucky in that I am lactose intolerant so I do not eat dairy. This also helps a lot.

I am also lucky in that enjoy fruit and veggies very much.

Have also cut red meat out of my diet.

Also now that I have changed my diet I am no longer diabetic and blood pressure is perfect. And I also do not go to the doctor any more. I did go to the diabetic clinic at Hirslanden in Zurich. I would recommend you go there
. they can be very supportive. I do not think that you have to be diabetic to go there, just a referral from your doctor.
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Old 04.03.2011, 11:22
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Forget about dieting. Take a vacation in India. It's an awesome place with lots to see, you can eat all you want, and you come back weighing less.

I won't tell you why, though.
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

This is an honest question - how harmful are refined carbs besides maybe not being that nutritional? Just more calories per gram, or does it go further than that?

I still eat what I want, I just keep an eye on my calorie intake. But what are the advantages of, say, eating 400 calories of whole-grain bread compared to 400 calories of white bread? Only more nutrients, or are the refined carbs actually harmful in some way?
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Old 04.03.2011, 11:24
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Forget about dieting. Take a vacation in India. It's an awesome place with lots to see, you can eat all you want, and you come back weighing less.

I won't tell you why, though.
Please tell us Why
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Please tell us Why
If his Indian experience is anything like mine, you can eat what you want... for a few days. For the next few days you'll be happy that the toilet and sink are within reachable distance of each other, as you will need both at the same time.

And voilą, weight loss!
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You lucky. Is there any way you can walk home, at a brisk pace, from work?
Unfortunately, no.

I walk to and from the car, and I drive the car at a brisk pace.
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Old 04.03.2011, 11:43
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Yup, a home exercise bike was awesome for me. You can do really intense exercise without messing up your joints. The main reason I've gone from overweight back to my optimal weight in the last 8 months (dropped around 20-25kg)


May I delicately ask what was your weight before that kind of loss?
'Coz losing that much is pretty extreme... almost a shock to your body (depending on pre-loss weight)....

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May I delicately ask what was your weight before that kind of loss?
'Coz losing that much is pretty extreme... almost a shock to your body (depending on pre-loss weight)....

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I fluctuated between 85-88kg for a year or two. Since I began working out last summer, after 8 months I'm down to approximately 63-64kg. Which used to be my normal weight when I was young, before I got flabby in my mid-20s. I'm working to get rid of the stubborn fat now (some loose skin, but not that much), and will just keep it up and try to sustain muscle tone in the future. My weight loss has pretty much plateaued, I think. When I was just starting my exercise routine last year, I was dropping a kilo per week. I've only lost 2kg since January.

Excuse me, off to the pool.
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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

Sounds to me that a lifestyle change is a better option than a "diet". Diets are short term fixes that may work for a time, but as mentioned earlier, your body then adjusts and you bounce back (I believe most people gain more back than they lose on the diet as well). That's why so many people hop from one diet to another. I know when I lived in Canada, I drove everywhere because there wasn't really any other option. Now, I can (and do often) walk to work, I ride my bike and I run. In general, I'm more active. In return for this, the weight just dropped off. No diet needed...but I also realize that I lucked out on some of my genes!
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This is an honest question - how harmful are refined carbs besides maybe not being that nutritional? Just more calories per gram, or does it go further than that?

I still eat what I want, I just keep an eye on my calorie intake. But what are the advantages of, say, eating 400 calories of whole-grain bread compared to 400 calories of white bread? Only more nutrients, or are the refined carbs actually harmful in some way?
Actually the refined carbs are easily converted into sugar

Carbohydrates are divided into compley and refined. Complex carbs are found in fruits, vegetables and whole grains and are the healthiest to consume and should be c onsumed.

refined carbs have been stripped of of fiber, vitamins and minerals. These carbs are readily broken down during disgestion to the simplest form of carbohydrates which are easily absorbed into the body to give blood sugar or glucose. Refined carbs are in all the junk food, white pasta, noodles, and white bread.

Most people eat a lot of refined carbs which hasd contributed to an increase in diabetes.

Also many people eat refined carbs at lunch. The body counteracts with insulin and we have a crash. This is why many children and adults are very tired in the afternoon.
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Yes, you are correct in that we need carbs but the right kind of carbs. I completely cut out all refined cards, white flour white rice etc.
Good! You are actually doing the "GI-Method" wich is the latest craze in Sweden. Its all about consuming carbs that doesnt make your blood sugar peak, eg sugar, white bread, etc. its very good for diabetics and a great way to control your weight. Its all about focusing on foods with a low GI value.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycemic_index

I find this way of reasoning very healthy, natural and a way more substantial method of controlling weight than crash diets, south beach diets, etc. Its not really a weight loosing method though but a way of eating healthy and feeling good.

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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

Well, one week later and things are going ok.

Eating this way (literally no carbs) is quite strange. Even with quite a large meal something seems to be visually missing. But it is visual and I can't say I really miss them. I do have mild cravings for stuff I normally don't eat - chocolate, cake etc. Guess that's only natural. After about 36 hours of starting the diet I had a strange empty feeling, like you get after fasting, but without the hunger. This persisted a few days, and I still get it from time to time. I guess this is my body getting used to consuming its fat reserves rather than storing more of them.

I really thought I'd miss fruit, but it's been ok.

Alcohol has been more of a problem, particularly watching late night TV when a glass of whiskey would be very nice.

I thought food preparation would be an issue, but it hasn't been. I can actually eat out on this diet as most places have soup and salad. At home I've sort of snacked on the ingredients I'm allowed.

I haven't written down what I eat and I just stick to the standard ingredients.

I haven't done any exercise yet, but this will change next week, now I'm used to eating this way. I do have the energy for it.

Anyway, I haven't fallen off the wagon, and all in all it's been quite easy sticking to it, and no - I haven't been hungry. I can see myself sticking to this for the time needed to become slim, and then moving to a way of eating that allows me to stay slim.

I did get on the scales after a week and am quite happy with the results. After a month is a better test though, so I won't read much into it.
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Well, one week later and things are going ok.

....<snip>...
I haven't done any exercise yet, but this will change next week, now I'm used to eating this way. I do have the energy for it.

Anyway, I haven't fallen off the wagon, and all in all it's been quite easy sticking to it, and no - I haven't been hungry. I can see myself sticking to this for the time needed to become slim, and then moving to a way of eating that allows me to stay slim.

I did get on the scales after a week and am quite happy with the results. After a month is a better test though, so I won't read much into it.


Bravo - well done!

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Old 10.03.2011, 17:54
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I am not gonna explain why body detox is necessary or healthy from time to time, even if you don't plan to loose weight...

Some of us we need more efforts to become active again and to have the weight that we want. Besides my cheese and chocolate period I could gain weight even from air. All the feminine side of my family - mother, grandmothers are overweighted ...
Have you spoken with your doctor about your (strange) ideas?

You are fat because you eat too much and go on stupid diets . And please tell me, how many calories are in air? It's not on this website,
www.nutritiondata.com

Start with 60% carbohydrates, 25% fat, and 15% protein, HALF PORTIONS! Correctly eat half the amounts you did in the past until you reach your desired weight. Then gradually increase the amounts of vegetables. Take more exercise, swimming, walking or sex it doesn't matter, but do 200 minutes each week. If you feel very hungry, eat the same half the total daily amount, but 5 portions a day instead of 2 or 3.

That was easy wasn't it? No machines, no pain, no stupid ideas, just common sense!

If you groan I will put a spell on you: only bad sex for 7 years.

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Unfortunately, no.

I walk to and from the car, and I drive the car at a brisk pace.
Then park the car one kilometer away from your home. Then you have to walk 2 Km per day.
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bad sex for 7 years.
I like bad sex.
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it is notorious that bad sex is a lot better than no sex...
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it is notorious that bad sex is a lot better than no sex...
But then, really bad sex is often better than good sex.
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it is notorious that bad sex is a lot better than no sex...
sorry.. no. i disagree.

if there be 30 unwashed, stinky post battle rugby players on offer, i'd wait!

PS: has Apple mentioned that she has lost 5kg already! Pretty good going. I didnt ask if it was due to good sex or bad sex.. sometimes i cant tell the difference.

Personally I think she looks fabulous anyway - before and after, but then, thats just me...

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Re: Who's starting a diet with me?

ok, I have started to write something here a few times and then thought that oh, whatever really. but can't help it any more. Rant commencing.
Those people who boast here how losing weight is soooo easy, just eat pizza only every other day and walk from car to the office and that whoever is not able to lose 20 kilos this way is just a lazy over-eater - feck the feck off

no really. All you need to do is some walking? Walking is good. Walking half an hour burns, oh, good 150 kcal. To lose a kilo, you need to burn 7000. If you really lose weight by walking a few km per day - you're a lucky bastard and no you should not assume it works like this for everybody.

It's just calories in, calories out? So how come my dear husband has not done any sports today and has eaten about I would guess over 4000 kcal, including a 1200 kcal Quiche Lorraine as is pre-lunch snack and weight gaining cocktails (1600 kcal per portion) and still has trouble gaining weight? How come I have done a bodypump class, eaten exactly 525 kcal and am still 2 sizes bigger than I used to be? And that's not just today, I count every miserable calorie and work out at least an hour per day and guess what, last week I gained a kilo. Week before that I lost, whole 300 grams. whoo-bloody-hoo. and you really want to tell me that there is absolutely no difference in our metabolisms and I'm just lazy?

Seriously, it's not that easy for everybody! And the next person who comes with a helpful suggestions that one should simply eat less sweets, junk food or pizzas (what sweets?? I wouldn't recognize a sweet if it jumped up and bit me in the ass) and the weight will just fall off - bad things might happen to you, you have been warned.

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