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Old 11.02.2011, 18:36
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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

Thanks all, really good info indeed!

I was in the hospital this afternoon and I took the chance to have a chat with my doctor. She doesn't see any health issue about travelling by plane until late in the pregnancy and she confirmed with a study made by a doctor in Zurich who made a lot of research about it. So we will see what it will come out of it with the position.

Our both family are pretty far and most of our friend are pregnants or have to deal with small kids.

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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

Nil, I honestly wouldn't worry about it too much. One midwife who I met here basically told me that there is really no point at all in planning in detail about what will happen at the birth and worrying about all the little things (like which country you'll be in!) - she said that whatever happens they will deal with it. And that's the same wherever you are - assuming you're not moving to a third world country. All you really need to know is where the nearest hospital is when you get wherever it is you're going - and if you don't know then you just call an ambulance. Pretty much everything else can be dealt with as and when it happens.

There are plenty of women who turn up here in Switzerland heavily pregnant and not knowing what to do with no insurance and no gynae and not speaking a word of German (I know this because most of them end up contacting the BCT and I manage the BCT email) - we give them contacts, point them in the right direction and they pretty much all are fine!

For sure do as much homework as possible about the place you're going before you get there - join an internet chat room and make use of hubby's HR department. Information is always good.

Second births are (generalising obviously) usually easier and quicker and are more likely happen early so if you do end up getting on a plane at 35+ weeks I would try and arrange a checkup at the gynae basically on the day you're leaving to make sure that you are still firmly plugged up and not about to go into imminent labour on the plane. Other than that, if it happens when you get there then that's surely fine. A resourceful woman like you will manage just fine

If I were writing a checklist for you it would go something like this:

1) take your gynae's notes about your pregnancy with you when you go - if they are in German might be worthwhile having someone translate them into the language of the place you're going.
2) think about stuff that you'll need shortly after having the baby - if it might take time for furniture to arrive for example I'd be making sure the essentials (like a travel cot maybe) was in the plane baggage if possible.
3) find out whether you need insurance in the place you're going (and get covered) - or whether your Swiss insurance might still cover the birth in another country. Also get any pregnancy bills paid by the insurance before you leave.
4) Find out how things work in terms of hospital stays, midwives, health visitor after the birth etc. where you're going - things are totally different in the UK than here for example. In the UK you barely get a few hours in hospital after a regular birth and you have to take with you to hospital everything from disposable knickers and sanitary pads to nappies for your baby - they provide nothing!

That's all I can think of at the moment - I better go, the kids are going mad downstairs and I think I need to go referee.
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Old 11.02.2011, 19:02
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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

Gee Nil.... do take care, don't push yourself.
Before making the jump to deliver in another country, do check out all the basics:
- health insurance coverage in the new country
- a good doctor you can communicate with
- a hospital you feel comfortable with

otherwise stay an extra month until after the birth.
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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

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Which is more important to you, your job or your baby ? I'm sat here with my 4 month old baby and when i look at her, the answer rreally isn't difficult.

Just imagine something happens during the trip, or move, something normaly preventable or that you could get assisitance rapidly if needed, how would you feel for the rest of your life ?

Is the job really that important after all ?
I am sure most people will agree that the baby is more important than the job, but if there is a way to have both, then why not? (in this case, we are talking of what sounds like a promotion and a healthy pregnancy.)

If I had my time over again, I would be seriously looking at ways for my partner to get that job, BUT (given that Nil does not have supportive family available) negotiate the starting date. Having any number of supportive Baselites on hand, is not going to replace the bonding of a partner being there during and immediately after the birth process.

If he then has to leave for the job soonish afterwards, that is when other help can be of use. ALso, being positive, it would give the partner the time to locate living possibilities, etc before you arrive with the little ones. ( He can always take off days to come back to help with that final move and travel.)
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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

Hi Nil.

I do not know how long the flight would take indeed and how many weeks along you'd be etc.

But for your own mind's rest, you could already make a list and start searching on the internet or/and by phone, to see which places/services etc are there for you in the new place.
This way, you can from a picture of the new situation in your head and maybe you'll feel more in control.

Good luck with it, I can imagine it is tough. But really, choose for yourself and keep in mind your physical/mental boundaries. Its big stuff giving birth and it makes a huge impression.
Try to follow your instincts..

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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

In any case Nil, when things are more certain and you can disclose the potential destination we can be more helpful. However do realise the limitations of the internet for planning. You really need to do some reconnaissance there sooner rather than later.
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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

Nil, you must remember that as a woman - you will cope whatever.. That is what nature intended - you always seem very capable..
If you can delay till after your new baby that would be the ideal scenario - but newborns are easier to take around when they are tiny so try not to worry.
If you have to go before the end of your pregnancy,let everyone else do the running around - let your hubby sort all the paperwork, housing etc and take up any offers of help.
Just make sure that you are insured for treatment wherever you are and just rest...
I know that you will be just fine
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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

Hey, I got everything already planed, I will send Little Princess* for a couple of days to LIB!



(I am not sure which one will suffer the most...)

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Thanks all, really good info indeed!

I was in the hospital this afternoon and I took the chance to have a chat with my doctor. She doesn't see any health issue about travelling by plane until late in the pregnancy and she confirmed with a study made by a doctor in Zurich who made a lot of research about it. So we will see what it will come out of it with the position.

Our both family are pretty far and most of our friend are pregnants or have to deal with small kids.

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Nil, in no way am i trying to derail or spoil your post, i was adding my opinion based on first hand experiences with my baby, that's what i though a site such as this was for.

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Fact 1 : I got a 4 month old daughter and i said, looking at her, i wouldn't want to take any risk concerning her
safety.

Fact 2 : If it wasn't risky to travel late during a pregnancy, we wouldn't be having this discussion. If something happens there is not necessarily the expertise or equipment to help you, things go quickly wrong, after 5 minutes the baby's not got much chance of being Einstein

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If your partners company is that insensitive to post you away when you are over 6 months pregnant, i find that pretty insensitive. I have no idea what he does, but travel, internet, video conferecning is not so difficult.

My groans to Economisto :

Why did he start and groan at my initial post ? There's nothing insensitive in their, just an observation made whilst i was looking at my baby, maybe something Economisto doesn't have experience about, i don't know.

Have fun with your move, despite your percieved dislike of me, i hope all goes well for the babys' sake.
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Old 12.02.2011, 10:04
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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

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Thanks for your answer. By the way, I don't think I ever show you a perceived dislike of you...

I might not agree with you or the way you do express some of your opinions but it doesn't make someone dislike someone else for it. Those that I dislike, they know it very well and I am not hiding it.

Regarding my husband company, it sad but it is the way it works. Big companies are insensitive and they don't care. With them cutting their effective now, it is difficult to keep a job and even more difficult to find one. If my husband has to do what he has to do to make sure we can eat, he will do it.

Like it or not. If you have a job offer and are many for the same position, and if this is THE position, you have to find a way to make it works and be the most attractive one for the position. Sometimes it is not a matter of choice. Just have a look at the expats of this forum who lost their job here in Basel with pharma companies, or were on the line to lose it. Do you think companies like that care? Nope. You need to move now, or too bad you lose the job, bye bye.

We are not in such a situation, Thanks God! But we have to think about the futur. And if hubby has to take it before the birth, we will. By dragging him down for doing what is the best for his family won't make it easier. I am going to support him and I won't blame him for it.

My job here is to make sure that the baby, my daughter and myself are safely transfert to this new place. If it is before the birth, I'll make sure that all the needs, help and safety are there for it (And this is what I came here to ask and the same questions will be asked if it is after the birth.)

I am not asking here if we should do it or not.

Believe me, we are aware of risks and consequences. And NO, we would never take the chances over risks. But I was asking advices of how to make it as smooth as possible and get the best of the situation out of it.
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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

Ok Nil , Mrs good n' lovely wife, then get all your ducks in a row.
organize:
- airline possibilities (they won't take you after 8 months)
- insurance (if the new country doesn't offer health insurance coverage for already pregnant women, you're stuck here. Do note that Switzerland is an exception, we voted years ago that everybody has mandatory basic health insurance, other countries are not the same)
- medical attention (midwife, doctor etc)
- lining-up grandma-sitting for princess when you're in hospital for baby
- moving company (ask that as part of the relocation, you get to have the moving company do all the packing so that you won't have to make and fill moving boxes)

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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

I moved to a new apartment when I was 3 mo pregnant and it was a nightmare since I was feeling very sick.
I moved to a new country when my baby girl was 2 mo and it was difficult. I was breastfeeding every 3 hours and was always tired just dealing with baby.
I think it's better if you do it during the last couple of months of pregnancy.
When we moved we stayed in a service (furnished) apartment until I was feeling strong enough to organize everything.
Is that an option for you?
You should also find a cleaning lady, a helper to come everyday and clean, do the laundry and cook for you. Try to find an agency to help you with that.
I know that sounds impossible for Switzerland but maybe in your new country is not.
When we think positive good things happen.
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I think you should move as soon as possible. Will you continue posting here after the move or will you find a local forum? Awaiting the good news of your move date
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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

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Why did he start and groan at my initial post ? There's nothing insensitive in their, just an observation made whilst i was looking at my baby, maybe something Economisto doesn't have experience about, i don't know.

Have fun with your move, despite your percieved dislike of me, i hope all goes well for the babys' sake.
Erm, maybe regardless of the content of your first post that economisto groaned at, your consequent actions (groans) at economisto's which were in many eyes' full of common sense and useful, showed pettiness? Just my 2 rappens
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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

So we now know that the company is happy to have us to come over before or after the birth. They leave this decision into our hands.

I have been thinking about it since a while already and I would like to have a brainstorming with you guys.

Two possibilities:

1- Moving before birth:

Pros:

Give us a bit of time to look around, find out where are the groceries, pharmacies, parks, kindergarden, household help, appartment, etc. To get a bit more aware of what is available and get to know the place before to have the baby and all his demands to deal with.

Cons:

Doesn't give much time to find a doctor for me and the kids, an hospital (to make myself comfortable with). Not much time to organise the packing, the moving, the insurances, the notice periods for all bills, the selling stuffs if needed. Less chance to have help there for my daughter when I'll be in the hospital (since we don't know anyone)....

2- Moving after the birth:

Pros:

More time to organise here, make research, plans, etc. Keep my daughter into her kindergarten until the birth and a bit after. Keep her in a routine. Have to deal with a new brother before a move. Get to have friends around to help and see the baby. Knows my doctors and what to expect. Packing can be after the birth (we will have 3 weeks to organise everything and move since hubby will have 3 weeks off from the birth)

Cons:

Hubby would have to go there earlier, means being on my own with a big belly and a toddler, four days a week until the birth (for 3-4 weeks). If something happens and I need to go to the hospital, I don't have a last minute on call emergency friend to come home and take care of my daughter nor someone to bring me to the hospital if I can't drive. It also means moving abroad with a sore body, exausted, newborn and toddler.

The pro of the cons here about hubby moving before is to have him already looking for some homes, help, kindergarten, groceries, pharmacies, doctors, etc. (If they give him the time to do so).

My biggest issue with the number 1 scenario is to have a 2-3 weeks to find doctors and an hospital.

And with the number 2 scenario is to be on my own here for few weeks until the birth.

Could hubby begin to work after the birth? Nope, they need him because the guy from who is taking the job, needs to give him all the informations and training possible and he is leaving at a specific moment. So the take over as to be done before the guy leaves.

I am not comfortable with any of those two scenarios since either of them are easy to handle. I have to figure which one will be the best and right now it seems to me that scenario 2 is the most do-able. To be on my own in this last minute pregnancy is honestly scaring me for obvious reason... I might consider to open a thread on On call emergency Basel network!

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Re: Moving away when heavily pregnant? (Last trimester)

It is such a tough decision to make that it is hard to give advice but based on my experience, I would still go earlier and not have to deal with all of that with a newborn...

But this is based on the fact that personally, no matter "how pregnant" you are, I still find pregnancy easier to deal with than the newborn phase.

You will still need to figure out doc for you and kids and find a support netwrok even if baby is 1 month old, so I would just get on with it and do it now.

You will have a cesarean right?

That should at least reduce your fears in terms of hubby travelling (I know risk is never 0 but it is a little better than with unknown birth date)

Good luck in making the best choice for all of you!

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I agree with you Kri, I would prefer to move before the birth.
But Nill why don' t you tell us where are you moving to. One of us might be from there or have friends to help you.
I' m sorry I don't live nearby Basel to help you with the other senario.
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I agree with you Kri, I would prefer to move before the birth.
But Nill why don' t you tell us where are you moving to. One of us might be from there or have friends to help you.
I' m sorry I don't live nearby Basel to help you with the other senario.
Take care.
I will tell you very soon. Now I am waiting that all pieces are into their place before to say it. I am scared to jinx it.
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I will tell you very soon. Now I am waiting that all pieces are into their place before to say it. I am scared to jinx it.
I'm not much help in this respect as I don't have children. But please let me know if there is anything I can do to help from here

Wishing you all the very best with your decision making!
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I am scared to jinx it. [/QUOTE]

Yap, it's better to share after the signatures then!
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