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Kindergarten : Unsatisfied 3 6.00%
Kindergarten : Satisfied 11 22.00%
Kindergarten : Delighted 24 48.00%
Middle School : Unsatisfied 4 8.00%
Middle School : Satisfied 17 34.00%
Middle School : Delighted 11 22.00%
High School : Unsatisfied 4 8.00%
High School : Satisfied 6 12.00%
High School : Delighted 5 10.00%
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Rate your Childs state Swiss school using the below poll below

I'd like to put some truth behind the myth that all Schools in CH are wonderful and that there are "no bad schools" which fascinates me as a lot of people I speak to tell a different story. so I have created a poll to see how families with kids attending local schools rate theirs so we can see where the differences may be, such as region or different levels of age group.
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Re: Rate your Childs state Swiss school using the below poll below

Thanks for putting this in writing, I also agree that there is a myth re. the public schools. In my area however there are indeed very local variations, within a small raidus, decent and bad schools. On a general trend though, I would probably generalise and say there are better public schools in the swiss german area compared to swiss romande, or at least that's what many swiss german parents I know who live in VD say. I personally would not recommend the VD public schools, although there may be a good one or so among the lot, there are many to definitely avoid.
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really depends what your comparing them to, against state uk schools the swiss schools are far superior.
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Re: Rate your Childs state Swiss school using the below poll below

Where does primary school fit in? do you mean middle school?
What is Oberstufe: Middle school or high school?
What do you mean by high school? Is this the Matura?

I'm confused.
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really depends what you're comparing them to, against state uk schools the swiss schools are far superior.
bit of a bold statement - I dont think you can say that without doing a survey of the entire country. You might be lucky where you live but not everyone is going to be as lucky as you.

Personally, i think its hit and miss, just like the UK. depends where you live and the schools and the area. i certainly know that where I live they are a disaster.

What i dont get is if the schools are so good, why is it that the international schools are able to charge such stupid amounts and still have a waiting list?

If their schools were that good, there wouldn't be a market for them,, or would there?

also interesting that the schools dont publish any type of league table...
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What i dont get is if the schools are so good, why is it that the international schools are able to charge such stupid amounts and still have a waiting list?

If ther schools were that good, there wound't be a market for them,, or would there?
International schools offer an International curriculum to International Parents.
The people that send there children to these schools will probably move their children around to different countries and wish to maintain the same standard and curriculum, these schools offer nothing more than consistency in their course work, gradings and curriculum. In a lot of the cases the fees are paid by the parents employer, hence the high fees. This does not guarantee any superior standard. Paying more , does not always mean getting better quality. Designer brands come to mind...

They do not compare to Swiss schools imhoae.
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Personally, i think its hit and miss, just like the UK. depends where you live and the schools and the area. i certainly know that where I live they are a disaster.
I agree that it is a hit and miss. It is like with any other service. When quality control becomes actually exercised and kids will be more thought of, not parents, nor cash or what the system needs, it will improve. As is it, I think the system is really good, but level of execution, with some teachers, principals, and whole schools can be very dissapointing.

I think the state the public schools are in, says more about quality of teaching schools here, not the actual system or public schooling itself.

When there is more expected from teachers, they will improve. As it is, it is surely not enough and their work is not really efficiently checked.

Why does the poll only list kindy, middle school and then high school?
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Re: Rate your Childs state Swiss school using the below poll below

Quite honestly, I don't know what OBone hopes to learn from this poll.
As olygirl says, it is not clear what you mean by certain words. On top of this, each member will be talking about the 'school', more specifically the class, that their child attends, probably meaning one specific teacher. If the teacher's way of doing things doesn't suit the member (or the member's child - this can be a deciding factor) then the school will hardly be rated 'excellent' by the poster.

One of our children had a new kindergarten teacher for her second kindergarten year. Two or three years later, the young lady would probably have turned into a great teacher - but with my child at that time it could easily have turned into a minor catastrophe for both of them. The other children, who were perhaps easier to guide and didn't test the limits quite as often, were fine. Is 'the kindergarten' good or bad?

Another (male) teacher was brilliant, enthusiastic and inspiring with the intelligent, musical, sports-loving, girls. With a lad who suffered from legasthenie and the children of foreign parents, he could be less than understanding. (Understatement of the year). Our child was fine but others suffered. Is the 'school' bad or good?
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On the other hand, all the relativity aside, if a system allows a really bad teacher do his/her work, for too long, then I am not sure if the system is so good. I have met some best teachers on earth here, I thought it was a matter of professional pride, not that it was actually really expected of them. I think there still should be more expectations. I need more experience here, but so far I think a bit more flexibility, not being easily overwhelmed, more multitasking, less stereotyping, wanting to tackle troubles without waiting for rules or approval would be good, more creativity, and less clinical approach. And that, so far I can say about prekindy, highschool and formation continue. With intelligent, unprejudiced teachers who are good and who know how to use the reseau available to them here (the best in the world, if you ask me), it's really top notch quality. I'd make teachers of secondaire specialized, not generalists, and I would give them kids for 4-5 years, not change after every single year, so they feel the direct results of their own work and have to own up to them.
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There are good and bad teachers in every country. Question: what is good about the system, and what is not so good?
Good: focus on independence and self-reliance from an early age, school camps, grouping high achievers together from middle school on (good for those who do make the cut), high expectations, multitude of options.
Not so good: very narrow curriculum in elementary school, resulting in boredom for kids who have mastered the basics (unless you have a great teacher who would differentiate), stratification into "higher" and "lower" streams is too early, incompatible curriculum between cantons, lack of school canteens.
Village schools (elementary) are often too small to offer choices in case of conflict with a teacher. In several cantons, where middle school placement is primarily by teacher recommendation, a misunderstanding with a teacher could have big time consequences.

And some features would be a problem for one kid and great for another. For example, the slow start of academics in elementary school followed by an ever-increasing pace in 5th grade and above was a pain for us, as we needed the exact opposite: the kid wanted to go much faster early on, but needs to goof off every once in a while and not feel the constant pressure now.

And btw there are plenty of Swiss kids outside of the public system (in international, bilingual, specialty schools such as Steiner, and regular swiss private schools), so the system obviously doesn't work for everyone.
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Speaking from a personal expericence I can only recommend the Swiss pubic
schooling.

The system is rigid especially from seconday school onwards but the children
receive a thorough education, clear ethical guidelines and a sense of
responsability that will help them through the rest of their lives.

We moved to Lugano 4 years ago with the idea of settling down and therefore I decided to take my kids out an IB (Int'l Baccalaureat) progamme in English and join the Swiss school across the road. Best decision I've made since we arrived.

The kids are fluent in Italian and fully integrated into the local community
with friends that live closeby and activities they can walk to by themselves
mostly. Yes, it is safe for the kids to walk to school by themselves and it is
frowned upon should you drive them in your car.

The only set-back is that as a mother you probably have to make more of an
effort to adapat than you would have to in an International School environment.

People are not used to welcoming foreigners in their circle. It takes time - a
long time - but if you REALLY make the effort you will be rewarded with an
incredible degree of loyalty and friendship - the sort one finds in small
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Quite honestly, I don't know what OBone hopes to learn from this poll.
Just looking for feedback on schooling. there's clearly a divide and its interesting hearing feedback of both positive and negative.

I've had expirence and expirenced, the schooling here and when i questioned the head of all the schools on some of the way things were done i was stunned.

My wife is a teacher in the UK for 15 years so knows the system and was also shocked at the way some things are done. Is it based upon one area so my expirence is one sided so before i am pleased to hear good feedback.

where we are there are behavioral issues, kids swearing at the teachers and the framework to tackle it is shocking and they almost turn a blind eye to it.

Maybe its becuase i've been close to the education system i the problems are more obvious to me than others.
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Why does the poll only list kindy, middle school and then high school?
Polls only allow a max of 10 choices
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My wife is a teacher in the UK for 15 years so knows the system
Which system? One of the British systems or one of the Swiss systems?
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Maybe its becuase i've been close to the education system i the problems are more obvious to me than others.
Based on hearsay, and one school ?
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What he said. ^^ (For those new to this thread, there was a lengthy debate on school systems in the UK ... irrelevant to the topic.)

We have a couple of choices -- I close this thread, or delete all the irrelevant off-topic posts. As the original post was made with all good intentions of unearthing some information, I'm going to let the thread run and delete the OT posts.

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Wholesale comparisons are not easy - as each K/Canton has its own system, and each school depends on own interpretation, staff and management- even in the UK, counties still have vastly different systems, and each school its own way of dealing with things. No idea what type of school your wife taught in in UK, so difficult to know what if she is comparing with. An inner-City school in a large City will be very different from a rural or 'suburban' school - here or there.
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Based on hearsay, and one school ?
no not one school, a few within my immediate area.

i'm hoping my expirence is a one off or in the minority as its now gone to an even lower level now where the done thing it to spit at each other.

its reassuring to know that the feedback is generally positive. you will get the odd bad spots here and there wherever you go and we're obviously in.
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Having seen both Swiss and English state schools, the latter being one of those with a very high OFSTED rating, I have to say that Swiss school wins hands down BUT it demands a tremendous amount of work from the students and parents.

One criticism I have is that Swiss school wasn't very sensitive to kids sometimes not fitting the mould, at least back in my day. I was labelled as lazy when it much later turned out I have attention deficit disorder. My younger brother and sister got excellent support for their dyslexia but that was 8 and 10 years after I was at school.

And I'm sorry but it's still the weird or "abandoned" or "so rich there's a danger of kidnapping" kids that go to private school in this country. For abandoned read "parents are too busy living their own lives to bother with a normal school schedule". This applies to kids who grew up here, I fully understand if you put them in an international school when they arrive here older. Although we had this Japanese girl who joined my at 16 gymnasium speaking almost no German and who managed to end up top of the class at the end of the 4.5 years.
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