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rejected for due to not having a "B" visa.
And that won't change, so stop applying in Switzerland and I respect your views on mariage, no problem for that. You find other people stupid but you need far over average time to understand this simple fact of life about Swiss immigration law.
Good luck, I definitly recommend Germany for you.
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That is not the case. Even PhD's at Google can't get work permits. Maybe they need to find themselves "a Swiss fiancée" too.

Here I agree with you. I have a Chinese friend here who just lost a job and he is in a serious situation, as he can't find one. He has a Master's Degree in Computer Engineering and the guy is a Unix genius on top of C Sharp and Java...no job. I told him to look in Germany, if I can get a job there, I know damn well he can. He speaks more German than I do as well.
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Re: Civil Partnerships (PACS)

By the way, here's another good thread. Maybe your Swissie would be up for moving cantons rather than countries? (Or, being Swiss, maybe she wouldn't!)

Which cantons recognize unmarried partnerships for heterosexual couples?

I can't claim any special credit for finding it, as it was just in the "Similar Threads" box at the bottom of this page. Great resource sometimes, that little box.
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Nope. Not trolls. Opinionated, I'll grant you, but also quite helpful posters when the occasion warrants. One of them almost certainly would have given you the same information I did - if I hadn't beat them to it.

And DB did tell you to check on the fiancé/e visa possibilities - useful and on-topic. Have you done that yet?
Reading about it now actually....Gemeinde (sp)office stuff...
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By the way, here's another good thread. Maybe your Swissie would be up for moving cantons rather than countries? (Or, being Swiss, maybe she wouldn't!)

Which cantons recognize unmarried partnerships for heterosexual couples?

I can't claim any special credit for finding it, as it was just in the "Similar Threads" box at the bottom of this page. Great resource sometimes, that little box.

Oh snap...that it.

THAAAAANKS

Will definitely read this thread...my fiancee is not a typical Swiss person, she post on another site under the name "Bored in St. Gall" She would rather stay in Switzerland though, but she is not opposed to moving some place she can speak English or German, her English is pretty much fluent, very little accent too (she studied in Canada).
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Oh snap...that it.

THAAAAANKS

Will definitely read this thread...my fiancee is not a typical Swiss person, she post on another site under the name "Bored in St. Gall" She would rather stay in Switzerland though, but she is not opposed to moving some place she can speak English or German, her English is pretty much fluent, very little accent too (she studied in Canada).

you can't even write proper English.
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Try being gay and wanting to get married or have a civil union in the US -- then you can tell me what discrimination is. Atleast here gay couples have the option to have the legal protections that are only granted by marriage in the US.
It's still discrimination even against the same sex couples. A heterosexual from [anywhere else on earth] can marry a Swiss and get fast-track orange glossy passport. A homosexual from [anywhere else on earth] can "partner" with a Swiss and get nothing but residency for 12 years.

That's what I think is unfair. But I'm not Swiss so my opinion doesn't matter.
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And if you had a "B" visa, they would tell you that your German is not good enough. Trust me, I have a ton of friends in that situation, and some of them are Oracle certified.
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It's still discrimination even against the same sex couples. A heterosexual from [anywhere else on earth] can marry a Swiss and get fast-track orange glossy passport. A homosexual from [anywhere else on earth] can "partner" with a Swiss and get nothing but residency for 12 years.

That's what I think is unfair. But I'm not Swiss so my opinion doesn't matter.
then I hope you are trying to do something to change that situation.
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And if you had a "B" visa, they would tell you that your German is not good enough. Trust me, I have a ton of friends in that situation, and some of them are Oracle certified.
LOL, you are in denial.

On my CV it says my German is beginner level. They know that already.

That's never been an issue, because I don't apply to any job that requires German or French. I've never been rejected in an preliminary interview over langauge.

Usually it goes like this:

1) Typical preliminary interview questions about experience. (Check)

2) Salary questions (Check)

3) Visa questions.

The visa goes like this:

"So your resume says you need a work permit? How are you in Switzerland? Oh I see, so you will be married soon? No. Oh...we will check on that and get back to you."

No response for several days.

Then..."Sorry, but we cannot support a work permit for you at this time."

Or it goes:

"Well you are American, maybe it is easier, let me check with human resources..."

Then, the same type of rejection.

Language an issue. NEVER.

Maybe your friends should stop applying for jobs that require German.

Or in all seriousness, if they can move, I would say go to Geneva, there are more jobs there that do not require French, than jobs in Zurich that don't require German.

In fact, as I said, the only interviews I had in Switzerland (all telephone) were in Romande. Romande people don't have the stereotypical francophone-centric attitude as Metropolitan French I think.

That is , if your friends are willing to relocate.

Also an MBA for IT does make sense if you are used to working on Banking, procurement, and other financial/accounting systems. I had a nice job in Washington D.C. before I came here, above US$80K a year. Guess what I did all day? SQL reports, upgrades, testing...no development whatsoever. Although I would write reports to them. The MBA is handy when you are writing complex financial/account reports, or when you are doing support work with a user (as a liaison between development and the user community) and have to translate their business jargon to something development can understand (requirements) Oh yeah...sometimes, on-sight installs...lol I quit that and come here. LOL Mistaken #1.

Oh well, I don't regret it, I think my fiancee will be learning to speak very very good Hochdeutsch in the Rhineland
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. A homosexual from [anywhere else on earth] can "partner" with a Swiss and get nothing but residency for 12 years.

That's what I think is unfair. But I'm not Swiss so my opinion doesn't matter.
off topic here -- but when we registered our partnership I was given the full B permit - and after 5 years can apply for citizenship. To me it has all the rights that a heterosexual marriage would. Maybe it is contingent on from where you come from, but then that'd be a whole other type of discrimination.

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you can't even write proper English.
For goodness sakes. Thread was just starting to calm down and get back on topic.

Unless the OP intends to seek work as a copy editor, his written English is in no way relevant here. Back to the civil partnerships/marriages/fiancé visas, please.
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Absolutely right.
And you know what they are doing? they are studying German intensively.

Because they know they have to adapt.
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LOL, you are in denial.

On my CV it says my German is beginner level. They know that already.

That's never been an issue, because I don't apply to any job that requires German or French. I've never been rejected in an preliminary interview over langauge.

Usually it goes like this:

1) Typical preliminary interview questions about experience. (Check)

2) Salary questions (Check)

3) Visa questions.

The visa goes like this:

"So your resume says you need a work permit? How are you in Switzerland? Oh I see, so you will be married soon? No. Oh...we will check on that and get back to you."

No response for several days.

Then..."Sorry, but we cannot support a work permit for you at this time."

Or it goes:

"Well you are American, maybe it is easier, let me check with human resources..."

Then, the same type of rejection.

Language an issue. NEVER.

Maybe your friends should stop applying for jobs that require German.

Or in all seriousness, if they can move, I would say go to Geneve, there are more jobs there that do not require French, than jobs in Zurich that don't require German.

In fact, as I said, the only interviews I had in Switzerland (all telephone) were in Romande. Romande people don't have the stereotypical francophone-centric attitude as Metropolitan French I think.

That is , if your friends are willing to relocate.

Also an MBA for IT does make sense if you are used to working on Banking, procurement, and other financial/accounting systems. I had a nice job in Washington D.C. before I came here, above US$80 a year. Guess what I did all day? SQL reports, upgrades, testing...no development whatsoever. Although I would write reports to them. Oh yeah...sometimes, on-sight installs...lol I quit that and come here. LOL Mistaken #1.

Oh well, I don't regret it, I think my fiancee will be learning to speak very very good Hochdeutsch in the Rhineland
they are giving you the run around. because I was born in Canada, the FIRST question I get asked is what permit I have. (I also have an EU passport)

that is because they know that there are no permits for non EU people.

Then, they can go on to the other topics. And, that is when I speak fluent German with them. With my friends, they then go on to the topic of German.

But, if they aren't asking you the visa question first, it's because they are giving you the run-around. No prior work experience in Switzerland implies that you don't have a work permit. And a US passport != no work permit.

they must have a quota of people they talk to per day or something. everyone knows that as of last year, non-EU (except Iceland and Norway) can't get any type of new visa.
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Where do I apply?

LOL...nowhere for that, not even as a fruit picker.

I meant US$80K. 80K is not bad in D.C., probably about 95,000 SF or so...if you want the same living standard, well no, up that to 100,000 SF.
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and the salary question is only at the end, when they are serious about hiring you.

they are jerking you around.
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and if you are working with users here, they definitely require extremely good German.

they are playing with you.

not very nice of them.
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they are giving you the run around. because I was born in Canada, the FIRST question I get asked is what permit I have. (I also have an EU passport)

that is because they know that there are no permits for non EU people.

Then, they can go on to the other topics. And, that is when I speak fluent German with them. With my friends, they then go on to the topic of German.

But, if they aren't asking you the visa question first, it's because they are giving you the run-around. No prior work experience in Switzerland implies that you don't have a work permit. And a US passport != no work permit.

they must have a quota of people they talk to per day or something. everyone knows that as of last year, non-EU (except Iceland and Norway) can't get any type of new visa.

I see. That makes more sense.

Well, tell your friends to take a pay cut and move to Germany. Germans must be really desperate, Merkel said last year that they are short 40,000 skilled workers or maybe that was 400,000.

Maybe I just got lucky, but I don't think so, because I had two companies there, not just one.

I take you at your word on Switzerland, it would not shock me, but my fiancee and I might do this civil partnership in another Canton, we will talk more about it tomorrow.

Then all this will be pointless.

If I do have a "B" visa, as you said with your friends, it will still be hard here, but at least in Germany, maybe it will be easier, as my fiancee's partner, if we go there I can work as well. I will have more options. Unfortunately she will have to deal with "Die Swabi" :-)
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they are giving you the run around. because I was born in Canada, the FIRST question I get asked is what permit I have. (I also have an EU passport)

that is because they know that there are no permits for non EU people.

Then, they can go on to the other topics. And, that is when I speak fluent German with them. With my friends, they then go on to the topic of German.

But, if they aren't asking you the visa question first, it's because they are giving you the run-around. No prior work experience in Switzerland implies that you don't have a work permit. And a US passport != no work permit.

they must have a quota of people they talk to per day or something. everyone knows that as of last year, non-EU (except Iceland and Norway) can't get any type of new visa.
I must agree with you. I've had the exact same set of question. My CV says Swiss work permit and they still ask to be reassured then off to German etc
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LOL, all the nonsense on this post. I just had a second interview with a Euro company in Zug today. They want to hire me and will apply for a one year B visa.

Now according to the posters here:

1) no one will talk to me because:

1) I'm American

2) Don't have special job skills

3) Don't speak fluent German.

I've been here for 82 days exactly, and found a job in Switzerland (and two in Germany, both of which I turned down).

I realize this does not mean Zug will approve the visa, but the company is going to try it.


So let me go over this for those who wish to do what I did, so the negative naysayers don't kill their aspirations, in another thread.


My Experience Getting Hired in CH (NonEU)

Last edited by AmericanGotWorkVisa; 10.03.2011 at 18:15. Reason: originally I said I was here 22 days, actually it is 82...sorry
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