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Old 02.03.2011, 20:01
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Got a few unfocused questions to throw at you guys...

Are "Eingetragene Partnerschaft" in German, "Partenariat enregistré" in French, and "Associazione registrata" in Italian, meaning "registered partnership" open to heterosexuals in all Cantons?

Are they as difficult to get out of as a marriage? Is the process similar?
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Old 02.03.2011, 20:32
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No, "eingetragene Partnerschaft" as federally defined refers to same-sex couples only. (Source, in German/French/Italian)
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No, "eingetragene Partnerschaft" as federally defined refers to same-sex couples only. (Source, in German/French/Italian)
Why that's discrimination!
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Why that's discrimination!
Try being gay and wanting to get married or have a civil union in the US -- then you can tell me what discrimination is. Atleast here gay couples have the option to have the legal protections that are only granted by marriage in the US.
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Isn't heterosexual civil union called, er... marriage?
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Old 02.03.2011, 20:56
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^^ What he said - at least in Switzerland.

(Marriage is exclusively a civil institution here. You can of course arrange a religious ceremony of whatever sort afterwards if you like but it has absolutely no legal import.)
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Try being gay and wanting to get married or have a civil union in the US -- then you can tell me what discrimination is. Atleast here gay couples have the option to have the legal protections that are only granted by marriage in the US.

I don't care about gays in the U.S. or here, I only care about my business. I am a member of a group who could not get married legally to whoever they wanted in the U.S. when my mother was a child...btw...yeah I get it. Don't bitch to me, go make the change you want to see, I'm guessing you are a U.S. citizen, you have rights in the U.S. to make your voice heard.

There are several states that allow gay marriage/civil partnerships in the U.S., as I'm sure you know. Marriage in the U.S., marriage is controlled by the state.

Anyway that is not my immediate concern, neither is "U.S." bashing (no matter how sexy it is in Europe).
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yes -- but I'm only guessing -- from the OPs name, reply to my post, and the fact he asked if an EP was just as difficult to get out of as a marriage -- that he's looking to use EP/Marriage as a vehicle to get his work visa. But I'm only guessing -- I could be way off base....who knows.
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Crossed my mind too (nasty horrid cynic that I am!) but who knows? He might fall in love afterward.

Anyway, think he said somewhere else that he has a Swiss girlfriend. If so, all I'm wondering is why she is not the one googling up relevant bits of legislation for him; her German is undoubtedly much more up to the task than mine. But we'll let that be.
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yes -- but I'm only guessing -- from the OPs name, reply to my post, and the fact he asked if an EP was just as difficult to get out of as a marriage -- that he's looking to use EP/Marriage as a vehicle to get his work visa. But I'm only guessing -- I could be way off base....who knows.


I'm just looking for a way to extend my relationship and get a job here without the legal hassles of marriage, if it does not work out, i don't want to have to go through divorce, that is expensive and ridiculous.

Oh well I'm thinking about taking a job in Bonn, Switzerland is a xenophobic crap hole...Germans have less restrictions on visas it seems, since I've been here, I've interviewed with 2 German companies, NO SWISS, and I sent out 3X as many resumes to Swiss companies and more jobs are posted that I'm qualified for in Switzerland. Swiss HR people and recruiters call me, find out I don't have a "B" visa and hang up, basically.

"F" Switzerland.

Deutschland might pay less but they have commonsense when it comes to business...there are many jobs here that go unfilled (as I've been told by numerous recruiters) because the government caters to Xenophobes who hate foreigners, but the reality is no Swiss person is qualified to do the work, then they bitch about Germans coming here, etc.

However still Germany and Switzerland have a shortage of I.T. workers, still they make blanket quotas on all industry, instead of specific ones, like low IQ morons.

This country is pretty backward and anti-capitalist...okay "bitching" complete.

Carry on...

BTW I've known my fiancee for 8 years and we have been together for 1.5 years. I'm still not ready to get married, been there, done that, scared of that.

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I'm just looking for a way to extend my relationship and get a job here without the legal hassles of marriage
... and you want us to help you abuse the system?
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I'm just looking for a way to extend my relationship and get a job here without the legal hassles of marriage, if it does not work out, i don't want to have to go through divorce, that is expensive and ridiculous.
So not as 'unfocused' as all that, really. (Thought not.)
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Maybe I should go down to Italy, rip up my papers, and dirty my clothes, and pretend to be a refugee from Libya. I"m black, so this is good, I can say that I'm a mercenary hired by Khadaffi, and I had to get out of the country, because if not, I would be killed by angry mobs. I only took the job to feed my family in rural Niger. In an area which is also not very stable.

I just come across into Switzerland with proof showing I was at least in Italy...

Unfortunately to pull this off I would likely have to speak, at least French, or broken Arabic.

Or maybe I will go jump in Lake Constance and say the fish are oppressing me...
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Or you could just play by the rules like the rest of us have to.
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LOL get off your high horse. Play by the rules? GTFO. Am I supposed to feel bad now? LOL I would be working, helping the Swiss economy, paying my taxes, I'm in good health, so I don't need your semi-socialist medical system, and I have no history of crime/violence.

It is a win-win if the xenophobes Hans, Pierre, Dieter know it or not. I will definitely contribute more to the economy than the refugees I see walking around all day long in circles at Marktplatz hitting on ugly chicks saying "Hey baby...wants some hash" lol

If Swiss people were as smart as they pride themselves (or as practical) they would have a point system like Canada, and cut the refugee crap (most of it is fraudulent anyway...I know, I know a Nigerian here, he told me all about it because I"m a "brother" lol Those guys make fools out of the Swiss RULES daily.).
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Re: Civil Partnerships (PACS)

Can I ask another silly question?

You say you don't want to get married, been there, done that, don't want to do it again, or at least not for a while yet. Fair enough. Yet in the same post you refer to the lady as your 'fiancee'.

Maybe I'm old-fashioned in my language, but I assume this means you have asked her to marry you (or consented, when she asked you to marry her.)

Why did you do that, if you don't actually want to get married?
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LOL get off your high horse. I would be working, helping the Swiss economy, paying my taxes, I'm in good health, so I don't need your semi-socialist medical system, and I have no history of crime/violence.
You would be abusing the system. Marriage is not there to be used just as a means to an end.

Sham marriages affect all of us in the long run. I find it difficult to believe that you would have the bare faced audacity to ask fellow foreigners to help you to do something that brings us all down in the eyes of the Swiss.
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You would be abusing the system. Marriage is not there to be used just as a means to an end.

Sham marriages affect all of us in the long run. I find it difficult to believe that you would have the bare faced audacity to ask fellow foreigners to help you to do something that brings us all down in the eyes of the Swiss.
I'm not asking for your help, are you dense?

I'm asking for information.

As far as what "the Swiss" think as some type of "Kulturzeitgeist" I don't really care. They already think badly about foreigners, even those right next door...I've heard a lot in my 3 months here. Maybe you walk through the world worried about what people think of you, but I do not. If they don't pay my bills, take my test, work for me, provide me with food, etc they are unimportant.

And how the hell would any Swiss person know what is between myself and my fiancee in our own home anyway? You are pretty strange and sound a bit insecure.

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To be fair, his original post was just asking what the rules are, no indication that he planned to break them.
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I'm not asking for your help, are you dense?

I'm asking for information.
You've heard of Google, I presume?
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