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Re: Anxiety meds?

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You can try neurofeedback based upon a QEEG (brain map) which I do . I have worked with many people with anxiety including severe PTSD.

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I am a very anti-meds person myself - but it doesn't seem fair to keep something from her that might help this period be more manageable and ultimately more productive in helping her move forward with a new knowledge of herself and how she can help control anxiety etc. w/CBT, lifestyle etc.
I have had more or less this entire year to battle anxiety and depression. I was really bad off at the beginning of the year and was on synthetics for about 8 weeks: temesta and trazodone. The temesta is intended for short term use and the tazodone was intended to be more of a long term solution. I had a not so great reaction to these meds and the anxiety morphed.

I began to, with the help and guidance of my P-doc, developed an approach to deal with anxiety with naturals. Its been a long road and there is still more road ahead...but I ceased having panic attacks with naturals.
And mind you...my panic attacks were the kind where i could not breath, cold sweats, convulsions, you name it.

Anxiety is a bitch. And I now have a great sense of empathy for anyone who must endure it. But I can share some things I learned about it.
Synthetics are ok...but I feel that a long term fix should include strategies that avoid them. Feel free to PM me with questions.
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... but I am just wondering whether anyone on EF has any knowledge or experience with Buspirone, good or bad, or neutral.

I am a very anti-meds person myself - but it doesn't seem fair to keep something from her that might help this period be more manageable and ultimately more productive in helping her move forward with a new knowledge of herself and how she can help control anxiety etc. w/CBT, lifestyle etc.
Hi Tasebo, I really admire the way in which you are dealing with this. Have you already seen the following?

http://www.drugs.com/comments/buspir...r-anxiety.html
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Old 22.10.2015, 21:40
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This is an old thread but as opposed to causing some EF member "unnecessary new thread" anxiety I am posting here.

My 16yr old daughter is currently being treated for PTSD that triggered at the start of her first year of gymnasium (in Sweden). The trauma is very complicated, prolonged repeated bullying over many years at school, including two very threatening incidences (one which we were made aware of and student subsequently expelled, school decision) as well as another which she finally shared with me last month. It is a far too complicated story to record here and not omit critical info.

She has severe anxiety, and anxiety over having anxiety attacks. She is receiving good professional help from psych and CBT therapist, but that takes time and is difficult to sense it is working at all when anxiety is peaked.

They have given her Theraline as needed, but today have considered whether Buspirone would be better for her. I know everyone reacts differently to meds and dosage is very important, but I am just wondering whether anyone on EF has any knowledge or experience with Buspirone, good or bad, or neutral.

I am a very anti-meds person myself - but it doesn't seem fair to keep something from her that might help this period be more manageable and ultimately more productive in helping her move forward with a new knowledge of herself and how she can help control anxiety etc. w/CBT, lifestyle etc.

I'm so sorry that your daughter is going through this. Whatever the cause, anxiety, especially as a teenager is absolutely horrible. I started having panic attacks in my late teens. And on and off, continued having them into my early 40's. But, we didn't have the understanding of anxiety and depression, and we simply didn't have the drugs. And like many people I didn't want to take the meds.

My anxiety really stopped when I found a good psychiatrist and started to take medications that worked for me. The medication made me receptive to the therapy and enabled me to make other changes. I was able to reframe threats into opportunities. That's simplistic, but that's the basics. Anticipatory anxiety is the absolute worst. You worry about being anxious all the time.

So at one point, before I found something that worked, I was taking buspirone (buspar in the US). It did not work for me. But it might work for your daughter. For me, it was simply too strong. And I'm not a tiny person. SOmething else to remember about these drugs - they are not necessarily sensitive to weight.

What does work for me is zoloft regularly (which some people say is better for anxiety), but again it doesn't work for everyone. I also take xanax when I'm flying or anxious about something (and yes, I do get anxious, I just don't have panic attacks). But in nearly 14 years, I've never taken more than .25mg (the smallest pill size) in a single dose, and more often I take 1/4 of a small pill. This works for me.

Nutrition is very important, and I would make sure she is getting a good, balanced diet, but also vitamin b12, magnesium and omega 3's are important. Learning to meditate and relax is really helpful - exercise is helpful - whatever she can manage. Also if she is sensitive to seasonal affective disorder - a good quality light. But I think the most important thing is to get her to a point where she is receptive to therapy, and this is where meds help.

Good luck - I'm not a clinician, but if you want to chat about this, please PM me.
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Re: Anxiety meds?

Hey i was using Zoloft. I was sleepy all the time and just wanted to eat. After i stoped using them i feelt dizzy at the moments. It lasted 2 months. So if she can its better to stop using anything. Im still in a battle with depression and anxiety. I also have OCD.
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Kava is also a relaxant and can help ease anxiety, available at the Pharmacy called Piper Methysticum. These are all available over the counter and one doesn't need a prescription.
I can attest to kava's natural anti-anxiety relief... Good made as tea, but don't forget to add honey or your choice of sweetener to make it smell and taste better!!!
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Re: Anxiety meds?

To Edot, ZuriRollt and all the others who replied to my post and a very thoughtful pm, I just want to respond with a thanks for the support, advice and understanding of a really difficult situation. Your words lightened my steps last night when I went out with the dog, actually the most helpful bit in keeping me together - we have deep conversations and lots of laughs and licks

To experience PTSD as an adult is bad enough, but throw in the dynamics of a teenage brain and there is an awful lot that seems like walking in the dark without a torch, particularly for our daughter. To archive the past and focus on present, without muddling too much in the future is a huge challenge.
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Re: Anxiety meds?

Hi Tassebo,
sorry to hear about your daughter. My mother was prescribed xanax when she was dealing with anxiety and it was quite efficient for her.
Also, I think it as been mentioned - changes in alimentation, meditation and regular intense physical activity do help.

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I took Buspar for close to 2 years about 15 years ago, when I was just past my teens and dealing with a nasty bout of anxiety and depression. I took it alongside Deroxat, which I'm still taking today.

I reacted particularly well to the Buspar, and it really helped me taking the edge off my anxiety, without making me emotionless or sleepy (conversely to benzodiazepines). And I had to withdrawal symptoms when I stopped it. Which is not the case with the Deroxat: I can't go without it now...
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To Edot, ZuriRollt and all the others who replied to my post and a very thoughtful pm, I just want to respond with a thanks for the support, advice and understanding of a really difficult situation. Your words lightened my steps last night when I went out with the dog, actually the most helpful bit in keeping me together - we have deep conversations and lots of laughs and licks

To experience PTSD as an adult is bad enough, but throw in the dynamics of a teenage brain and there is an awful lot that seems like walking in the dark without a torch, particularly for our daughter. To archive the past and focus on present, without muddling too much in the future is a huge challenge.
After both my closest sister and my wonderful father unexpectedly passed within 4 months of each other, I suffered terribly. Was also very much against taking anything chemical at that time.

But at the end of the day, took prescribed medication for quite a while, together with the therapeutical help from a great Psychiatrist(in), and long walks and talks with my samoyed.

I was a new (single) Mom at that time, and what can I say - today, my daughter is happy and successful at Uni (still enjoying living at home), and I'm so grateful that I found the right therapy and medication at that time.
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Re: Anxiety meds?

When I recommended in the past Bach Blossoms here against the fear to fly, an ignorant mod deleted my post supposing I would try to reach ten posts to sell things.
I thought I would never write anything but ..I hate to see people suffering, especially a mother of a 16 years old girl so I suggest the drops of Dr.Edward Bach again.

His theory: whatever sickness has roots in fear.

What is new and modern and helping in an instant is left-right brain hemisphere integration music for STEREO HEADPHONES.
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Re: Anxiety meds?

Antidepressants and anti-anxiety medications can be great to alleviate some of the symptoms of PTSD, but everyone responds differently to medication. Medications can be life saving for some, while others cope thanks to their therapist. Benzodiazepines may cause addiction in some. Others take the same dose for years without a need to raise it. Buspirone may be as helpful as SSRIs, but clinical tests on its efficacy are undecided. (Case reports exist, but there are no randomized trials supporting its usefulness for PTSD).

Someone mentioned Kava.. Doctors rightly only hesitantly prescribe it. I'd be careful with it (look up kava and liver toxicity). Perhaps why in Switzerlnd, Kava is only available in very diluted form.

You may already be aware of this, but while she is on antidepressants, it’s important to do regular blood check ups to monitor her health. It's also good to be aware of antidepressants and their interactions with foods, other medications and alcohol. One more ting: make sure she is not self-medicating as she works through her trauma.

A wide range of psychotherapy options exist that provide a safe place to explore and process her trauma and advance at her own speed, eg EMDR, CBT, Exposure Therapy, Neurofeedback.

Depending on her interests, she might also want to consider other routes, including group therapy, art therapy and progressive muscle relaxation. These can be great in letting go of stress, as well as re-claiming her identity and getting comfortable in her own body again.

It is wonderful that you are there to provide support (not all parents acknowledge trauma), as she goes through the healing process. All the best for your daughter.
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Re: Anxiety meds?

tbh taking any meds for depression on advice given on an internet forum is really not a good idea. There are so many forms of depressions and anxieties- so often reactive rather than true depression (bereavement, moving abroad, seasonal, etc).

However, for many forms of depression St John's Wort has proven really effective and confirmed by several trials- but do check for contra-indications and do protect skin and eyes from the sun as it makes you more sensitive. Again- unless for short period of time to try (say 1 month max)- discussing this with your doctor is really essential.

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tbh taking any meds for depression on advice given on an intenernet forum is really not a good idea. There are so many forms of depressions and anxieties- so often reactive rather than true depression (bereavement, noving abroad, seasonal, etc).
Many thanks Odile. Yes, any form of medical treatment needs to be in combination with recognised and qualified psychiatrists.
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tbh taking any meds for depression on advice given on an intenernet forum is really not a good idea. There are so many forms of depressions and anxieties- so often reactive rather than true depression (bereavement, noving abroad, seasonal, etc).

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Seriously Odile? People who fight against mental illness stigma just shake their heads when they see stuff like you've written above.

Many episodes of depression and anxieties have triggers. I don't think that means they should be ignored as simply reactive. Too many people try to justify their feelings and avoid seeking help - and I'm not suggesting meds for everyone either.

St John's Wort can be very helpful. If one uses it, one must find a reliable source. Far too many herbal preparations have inconsistent amounts of active ingredients.

Moreover, I think that Tassebo is pretty smart and will evaluate the advice given critically.
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Of course I never said that reactive depression was not linked/cannot be linked to true depression- au contraire. What I said is that a proper diagnosis has to be made be specialist/s... and treatment, including medication, has to be very professionally and carefully taylored to the circumstances- don't you agree?

Are you saying though, that reactive depression due to bereavement, loss of job, etc, can never be 'just' a reaction to circumstances and not a symptom of true depression? Many people (including me) have gone through phases of depression due to very difficult circumstances, but were able to come through this after allowing for the grieving to go through natural processes- which has nothing with true depression in the clinical sense. Stating this in no sense whatsoever attaches stigma to depression, again, au contraire.
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Are you saying though, that reactive depression due to bereavement, loss of job, etc, can never be 'just' a reaction to circumstances and not a symptom of true depression?


I'm saying that if you're depressed, you're depressed, regardless of the trigger. It's all "true". I think the diagnostic category says lasting for more than 2 weeks. Anyway, if it persists, it requires evaluation. And maybe the resolution is exercise or meditation. But maybe therapy and meds.

And I've seen far too many people justify depression and anxiety with life events. It persists and these people could benefit from some treatment. It is very sad.

And it contributes to stigma by minimizing the seriousness of the issue, and people fail to get help when needed.

Of course, it's natural to be sad on occasion, it's not necessary to pathologize everything.
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Agreed- which is exactly what I said- proper assessement has to be made by doctor/specialist.
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Agreed- which is exactly what I said- proper assessement has to be made by doctor/specialist.

It's not, but whatever.
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It's not, but whatever.
Hey edot, was just wondering what you meant? I know that if can be pretty awful/impossible to find a competent psychiatrist in Zürich
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