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Does anyone know what the difference is between the Rudolf Steiner Schule as opposed to the public schools here?

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Re: Steiner Schule

I suggest you read this site about this sort of schooling in America for a start. If you can cope with the German, Google 'Rudolf Steiner School' and go through the principle of schooling there. It is based on a different approach to learning from that of the state schools here and to list the differences wouldn't really get to the core of the matter.
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Old 12.03.2011, 10:52
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Google any Waldorf schools, and you will get a picture. Steiner is the theory behind Waldorf schooling. There seem to be three camps in our area in terms of different approach to edu: Montessori, Waldorf and Moser. Suits different expectations we have from schooling, different types of children and families and dif teachers.
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Re: Steiner Schule

It's kind of "let's all draw a tree and say how we feel while moving to music". Some people consider Walddorf / Steiner kids a bit "alternative" so depending on what career the kid wants, it might get in its way.

Oh and Steiner had some views that were borrowed straight out of the Nazi doctrine.
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Re: Steiner Schule

The Steiner School also does not provide an officially recognised qualification at the end of secondary school (neither the Swiss Maturité nor the IB). Something rather important to think about when one's children approach university age.
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It's kind of "let's all draw a tree and say how we feel while moving to music". Some people consider Walddorf / Steiner kids a bit "alternative" so depending on what career the kid wants, it might get in its way.

Oh and Steiner had some views that were borrowed straight out of the Nazi doctrine.
Your "let's draw a tree" made me chuckle, but honestly, that's how people refer to it in edu circles, it's pretty spot on. I wouldn't want to bash it, it really does fit some people and their views on edu, but I always thought kids ended up handicapped facing the fierce academic competition later on, when they are out of school. I wouldn't put my child in there, if I chose any of those schools, it would be Montessori, I think. The Steiner kindy we have nearby seems popular.

Anthroposophy was based on Nietzsche, wasn't it, so were the Nazi theories, but loads of theories were based on Nietzsche and not Nazi. I like his theory, one can do a lot of this at home with our kids but am not sure if schools would be a practical place to implement it so well (since they are facing the "other" world, exams, comparative testing, streaming, kids moving, etc). It's lovely to read about, though.
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Really? Like what? Or did the Nazis borrow it from theosophy? I believe lots of pseudo-spritual-occult beliefs were en vogue during Rudolf Steiner's era (ealry 1900s). (Stirring the pot Kittster?)


In regards to the Waldorf-Steiner school curriculum, how much of it teaches Anthroposophy or Theosophy, or is influenced by these?
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You guys are great, thanks! Just the sort of information I was after. Thank you especially for the heads up regarding secondary school qualification recognition.
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No, Steiner was dead before the Nazi party grew to any significance. It is however true that some leading nazis admired Steiner (Rommel for example is a well know case, and Himmler also was a fan). But that didn't stop the Nazis closing down all Steiner schools when they came to power though. But to say that Steiner was somehow responsible for naziism is akin to being anti-vegetairain because Hitler was a vegetarian.
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No, Steiner was dead before the Nazi party grew to any significance. It is however true that some leading nazis admired Steiner (Rommel for example is a well know case, and Himmler also was a fan). But that didn't stop the Nazis closing down all Steiner schools when they came to power though. But to say that Steiner was somehow responsible for naziism is akin to being anti-vegetairain because Hitler was a vegetarian.
That is nothing Nazi - at the end of the 19th century did pretty much EVERYONE in Europe believe in racism: You could go to exhibitions in which Africans were displayed like animals in a Zoo.

So Steiner was not better or worse than anyone else at his time - the question is only weather or not this part of his teachings have been sufficiently changed afterwards.
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I'm sure Roger Waters wrote 'Another Brick in the Wall' with the song being influenced by one of his kids who went there there no?
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Two of my distant cousins went to a Waldorf school - and I'm sorry to say not one of them managed to get a profession or any sort of decent job. Now whether that's related to their going to that school I'm not sure...

My opinion is it doesn't really do any good to treat them with kid gloves in an attempt to protect them from the brutal reality. They will have to face it sooner than later - and if they're not used to it, they will have to struggle.
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No, Steiner was dead before the Nazi party grew to any significance. It is however true that some leading nazis admired Steiner (Rommel for example is a well know case, and Himmler also was a fan). But that didn't stop the Nazis closing down all Steiner schools when they came to power though. But to say that Steiner was somehow responsible for naziism is akin to being anti-vegetairain because Hitler was a vegetarian.
Fair enough - I had a former flatmate who went to Steiner school and she was the one who told me that this was the only thing she disagreed with, the Nazi aspect. Didn't have Wikipedia in those days to check the order of events instantly and then never did it later on, thanks for the clarification.

Oh and she was a bit odd too.
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Does anyone know what the difference is between the Rudolf Steiner Schule as opposed to the public schools here?

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My kids went to a Steiner nursery school in the UK and enjoyed themselves tremendously. They were allowed to be what they wanted to be. All the toys were natural - blocks of wood, pieces of wool and cloth. They built houses for themselves by draping the cloth over clothes horses and played with rag dolls. They all seemed to be using their imagination much more than children I'd seen in other playgroups. They had specific times for activities - eating, playing, singing - which all seemed to have a natural rhythm.

Some kids had problems, which the teachers dealt with quietly, mainly by exclusion i.e. one of the teachers/helpers took the child to a different room and talked through the issue until the child had quietened down and was ready to return to the children.

I was very happy with this system as they were not forcing my children to read at the age of 4 which was being done in the mainstream nursery schools in the UK. My children started mainstream school but picked up reading very quickly at the age of 6.

We looked into Steiner schooling from ages 6 to 16 but had the following reservations:
1. In the UK the Steiner school did do the A level qualifications, but some kids did fantastically well and others never tried. We worried that the children could just drift through school without getting valid qualifications.
2. The parents all seemed to be very arty - but we were boring science nerds. We just seemed to be too different from the others.
3. At the UK school there was no head teacher - all decisions were made by consensus amongst the teachers. Fine if all is going well, but when there were issues, parents had no visible accountable person to talk to.
4. Students had the same teacher for 4 or 5 years. Great if the child-teacher relationship is going well, incredibly difficult if not.

The Steiner school in the UK had open days which are worth going to to get a personal view. I personally never saw any teacher expressing any racist sentiments - the area I lived in had a very diverse population and the kids came from very varied backgrounds.
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