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Does anyone have any experience on taking advice from a nutritionalist. Does it help? Are there some categories of food (i don`t mean fast food) that can encourage weight gain/loss or is it tosh and the only cure is sensible diet and fitness? what is a sensible diet, is it the same for everyone?
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Does anyone have any experience on taking advice from a nutritionalist. Does it help? Are there some categories of food (i don`t mean fast food) that can encourage weight gain/loss or is it tosh and the only cure is sensible diet and fitness? what is a sensible diet, is it the same for everyone?

I have been to see a nutritionist a few times. This happens to those of us who are heavy.

Usually the advice is pretty sound BUT bear in mind that the advice does change as new discoveries are made or there are "face palm" ("of course it works that way!") moments in medical and behavioral sciences. By example of this, I refer to the change in the "food pyramid" in the last 20 years. They used to be all about the cereals and now they're all about the fruit and veg.

Also, keep in mind that SOME "nutritionists" are very keen on specific leanings - generally these are the ones attached to a fitness center though as opposed to a hospital, at least in my experience.


From my own experience, I'd say that if you're looking for serious "help" - whether to help gain, help lose, maintain, going through some trouble, etc etc... it's a good idea to not only see a nutritionist but also to see an endocrinologist so that if you have high / low blood sugar or other similar things going on that may need to be factored in.
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Does anyone have any experience on taking advice from a nutritionalist. Does it help? Are there some categories of food (i don`t mean fast food) that can encourage weight gain/loss or is it tosh and the only cure is sensible diet and fitness? what is a sensible diet, is it the same for everyone?
Dietician would be a better person to get advice from (unless that is what you mean, or is that just a UK-specific term?).

Broadly put, nutrition is the study of food and its effects on the body, while dieticians apply that information to humans... if that makes sense. A bit like the scientist in the lab vs. the doctor you see in a clinic.

Combinations of what you eat do make a difference - but not in the way that most "diet fads" try to make you believe - and if you want to take it seriously, then yes you will benefit from it.

A sensible diet is, broadly speaking, the same for everyone, however there can be big big differences based on individuals and any (obviously) asymptomatic or symptomatic conditions they may have.
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I have been to see a nutritionist a few times. This happens to those of us who are heavy.

Usually the advice is pretty sound BUT bear in mind that the advice does change as new discoveries are made or there are "face palm" ("of course it works that way!") moments in medical and behavioral sciences. By example of this, I refer to the change in the "food pyramid" in the last 20 years. They used to be all about the cereals and now they're all about the fruit and veg.

I agree, the one I went to in Zurich offered no revelations, showed me the food pyramid etc...It's all common sense.

Fads are dangerous imho.
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Does anyone have any experience on taking advice from a nutritionalist. Does it help? Are there some categories of food (i don`t mean fast food) that can encourage weight gain/loss or is it tosh and the only cure is sensible diet and fitness? what is a sensible diet, is it the same for everyone?
Unfortunately it's common sense and control - not food combos ....
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Re: Professional advice on nutrition - viable or fad

I did the Metabolic Balance diet. I only needed to lose 5 kilos but I liked its program. I lost 4 kilos and have been able to keep it off for the past 4 years.

The Metabolic Balance diet is quite sensible and focuses on fruits, vegetables, etc and eliminate sugar and most carbohydrates. What helped me to keep on the diet was my advisor. She provided me motivation and gave me important tips to help me focus on my goal.

Nowadays, if I want to take off one kilo, I just don't eat in the evenings.
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Unfortunately it's common sense and control - not food combos ....
For most people this is true, for those with some endocrine or gastric (upper or lower) disorders though, it is less true. (Not exactly "false" but rather, "not so simple as that")
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I have 2 friends (one in the UK and one in South Africa) who have to been nutritionalists and have lost the weight they wanted to lose.. And then put it all back on again. They were both told to cut out carbs. What works for me is: eat less exercise more (and I don't need to pay anyone to tell me that)
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Re: Professional advice on nutrition - viable or fad

I agree with Hedgehog, it is a matter of common sense and control.

I have a background in fitness and nutrition, and honestly, the thing that works is finding a balance that works for you, this includes: nutrition, exercise, as well as sleep and stress, which also contribute greatly to weight loss and weight management.

Good nutrition means feeding your body what it needs, and that is whole grains, fruits, veg, good lean proteins or beans and legumes if you are vegetarian. There are plenty of diets that work but that can lead to yo-yo dieting or disordered eating which is dangerous to your health.

I would suggest educating yourself on nutrition and healthy eating practices, that will lend to peaking your interest and motivation in good food practices and healthy eating.

Personally, I am fascinated in the eating culture in countries where the population is relatively healthy and low weight, like Japan, Greece, France even.

Good luck!
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Old 24.03.2011, 10:46
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I agree with Hedgehog, it is a matter of common sense and control.

I have a background in fitness and nutrition, and honestly, the thing that works is finding a balance that works for you, this includes: nutrition, exercise, as well as sleep and stress, which also contribute greatly to weight loss and weight management.

Good nutrition means feeding your body what it needs, and that is whole grains, fruits, veg, good lean proteins or beans and legumes if you are vegetarian. There are plenty of diets that work but that can lead to yo-yo dieting or disordered eating which is dangerous to your health.

I would suggest educating yourself on nutrition and healthy eating practices, that will lend to peaking your interest and motivation in good food practices and healthy eating.

Personally, I am fascinated in the eating culture in countries where the population is relatively healthy and low weight, like Japan, Greece, France even.

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but in the case of france and japan, isnt that also because of the typical body size, bone structure etc? as well as diet. it stands to reason that if you only eat raw fish, your not going to pile on the kilos. i appreciate all the encouragement, in fact its not specifically for myself, i do need to lose a few kilos but many do, and the particular doctor who was advising me (gp) and now ex gp, was saying that dieticians talk nonsense, its all in the genes and try and give up potatoes! a previous one suggested change of profession as a solution! I saw another thread about a lady who was looking to work in the the food sector as a scientist and it reminded me of the subject.
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I think you will find all the information you need on this website, including the "values" of the fast foods.

http://nutritiondata.self.com/

Burger King Cheeseburger:
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/...generic/9279/2
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but in the case of france and japan, isnt that also because of the typical body size, bone structure etc? as well as diet. it stands to reason that if you only eat raw fish, your not going to pile on the kilos. i appreciate all the encouragement, in fact its not specifically for myself, i do need to lose a few kilos but many do, and the particular doctor who was advising me (gp) and now ex gp, was saying that dieticians talk nonsense, its all in the genes and try and give up potatoes! a previous one suggested change of profession as a solution! I saw another thread about a lady who was looking to work in the the food sector as a scientist and it reminded me of the subject.


No, it's not because of typical body size and bone structure, in the case of Japan it does have to do with the fact that their diet consists mostly of fish and, which also lends to lower rates of depression and alzheimers! For the French it is because they just do not eat as many calories, even though the diet consists heavily of wine, pastry, cheese etc. I was saying that educating yourself as much as possible should help, and knowing for yourself rather than listening to someone you may not have very much faith in, should help also.
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...the particular doctor who was advising me (gp) and now ex gp, was saying that dieticians talk nonsense, its all in the genes and try and give up potatoes!...
Not to cause offence (I've another thread for that... ), but GPs are not the elite amongst the medical profession.

"It is all in the genes" is archaically simplistic. Given that we share 90+% commonality in genes with many animals, the "it's all in the genes" logic would suggest that we should be apes or dolphins. Yes it is all in the genes, but how those genes are expressed is critical and it is now – I believe – generally accepted that the environment we live, eat and breath in affects this.

Yes lifestyle has a huge role to play, and diet alone is unlikely to have a massive influence, but the whole lot combined has an influence.

It's that 1% rule. Don't try and change one thing by 100%, rather change 100 things by 1%. In this case change 10 things by 10% and you'll see the effects.
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Does anyone have any experience on taking advice from a nutritionalist. Does it help? Are there some categories of food (i don`t mean fast food) that can encourage weight gain/loss or is it tosh and the only cure is sensible diet and fitness? what is a sensible diet, is it the same for everyone?
In my experience, using myself as the lab rat, I've found the following:

If I eat more, especially junk food, I put on weight.
If I eat less, I lose weight.

And here's the interesting bit:

If I eat more, especially junk food, and take lots of exercise, I still put on weight.

I can't believe this could be any different for the average person.
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In my experience, using myself as the lab rat, I've found the following:

If I eat more, especially junk food, I put on weight.
If I eat less, I lose weight.

And here's the interesting bit:

If I eat more, especially junk food, and take lots of exercise, I still put on weight.

I can't believe this could be any different for the average person.
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As anyone can call themselves a nutritionist, I'd treat any advice they give with the same weight as advice on this forum.

A dietician, on the other hand has actually got qualifications.
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No, he said fast food. I said junk food meaning:

cakes, biscuits, crisps, pastries, cola, fries, processed ready meals, sugared cereals, sweets etc.

They're not fast food but they are, in my mind, junk which taste nice but don't provide much in the way of nutrition.
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As anyone can call themselves a nutritionist, I'd treat any advice they give with the same weight as advice on this forum.

A dietician, on the other hand has actually got qualifications.
Oi! Does that mean my MSc in Human Nutrition from a UK (real, not an ex-poly) university in conjunction with the Rowett Research Institute isn't a qualification?
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Oi! Does that mean my MSc in Human Nutrition from a UK (real, not an ex-poly) university in conjunction with the Rowett Research Institute isn't a qualification?
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