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Okay, maybe I have been in Europe too long, maybe I am too old or had too many members of the medical profession look at my VAGINA, but you went to a Gynecologist not an ORL. Geez.

G-forbid you ever have medical problems down there aka the VAGINAL region and have to be examined constantly. If you do Xanax might help.

All I care is that the Dr is a excellent technician and don't give a rats a55 to where I undress, how I undress nor how I am splayed in front of him/her.

Rant over and get those annual check-ups they can save your life.

Ps, I hope you had the courtesy to wax before your visit.
Wow, a gal leaves for an hour for a little trip to the bakery, and returns to an entirely different thread . Though I certainly feel no need to defend my musings, nor my question (neither complaint nor whining) of how things are done here vs elsewhere, I will posit this: After having gone through the most traumatic medical experience a young pregnant woman can ever imagine, coupled with the most traumatic grief and loss that accompany said event- I can safely assure you that I have spent my fair share of time on the exam table. Thankfully, a few years later I was able to deliver a healthy child with all of her brains still intact and she is the love of my life. Mind you- as it was a high risk delivery, my vagina has had a larger audience in the medical field than many adult entertainers could dream of. That said, in spite of everything I am still able to see the lighter side of the human experience and even find humor in being on the business end of an awkward Gyn visit. I neither need coddling nor patronizing from another member, though I still appreciate your self-congratulatory opinion . The moral of the story is this: you never know what a person has had to endure in their life when they offer a bit of humor and ask a specific question on a forum and perhaps a less callous manner would be appreciated by the likes of me and perhaps others.

On a brighter note, you've officially deflowered me with my very first groan. Ah firsts... never as good as one hopes are they?

p.s. I actually find it more amusing to use body paint and glitter and recreate the yellow brick road from the Wizard of Oz .
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Old 24.03.2011, 19:34
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... although my lovely woman doctor does at least have the little 'shower cubicle' and fills time taking notes until I'm completely dressed. ....
Those notes - they're a tally of each chargeable five minutes you spend getting dressed. Kerching!
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Old 24.03.2011, 19:43
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@ ZenAgent: I had the same experience, but never thought it was funny until I read your post . Last summer my husband invited "the boys" for a bbq. It turns out that my gynecologist belonged to the same handball club. Needless to say, it was a bit akward. I'm looking for a female doctor now
You'd surprised how little Drs remember about their patients between visits...
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Re: Awkward Ob/Gyn Visit- difference between US and Swiss methods?

The best quote of this thread goes to MusicChick with
"Ladies keep your bras on"

Back on topic.. I didn't feel comfy going through it all with a male doctor and like Kodokan, I agree it's really nice to have a competent female Ob/Gyn.
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Re: Awkward Ob/Gyn Visit- difference between US and Swiss methods?

yea, i like my obgyns to be women too, it just feels more comfy. mine is great, she has a little changing area and gowns- and she is very open and makes a point to sit and talk with you. she's czech and speaks english and is very warm and friendly. we got along great from the first visit talking about life here and made me feel really at ease when i was a bit worried about visits here, it is normal to feel that way, i think. but, she does live in the neighborhood, i think, because i see her at the local coop quite often, but im not sure she recognizes me with my clothes on...
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Re: Awkward Ob/Gyn Visit- difference between US and Swiss methods?

Having had the "wonderful" upbringing that I did, I had the opportunity to experience both male and female medical staff examining various parts of me for various reasons. (Oh, those poor Navy Corpsmen at the clinic on a Marine Corps base who had to explain to 12yo me what "mittelschmerz" were! I'm not sure who was more embarrassed. )

I've had good and bad of both, over all though, I think female doctors "tend" to have better bedside manner, are more conscious of the surrounds that may make one feel more comfortable. Better table, some discretion while changing, some easing convo before and after in addition to the conversation about the point of the visit.

HOWEVER, in my experience, when it comes to the actual physical part, it has been the male doctors that were more gentle. Almost like the females were of a mind like "if I can tolerate that, so can she"...


Meanwhile, in the "here vs there" department, so far, the doctors here have been really great when it comes to all of those other things that can influence health and general well-being. My first GYN here asked about a lot of other things going on in my life and in a specific way as opposed to general conversation. She seriously wanted to know what I was doing. The only reason for the change was that she is "only" GYN and I wanted a doctor who also did the OB part as well. (The midwives were fantastic BUT that the doctor only called while I was in the hospital and wanted to check me out physically after was a bit unexpected.)
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Old 24.03.2011, 20:23
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What you describe is all perfectly normal, down to the formal handshake.

You'll get used to it.
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@ZenAgent: thanks for making me laugh - at least you seem to have taken it with the necessary pinch of salt and loads of humour (in retrospect).

I know - you'd really have thunk that medicine could have come up with something slightly more dignified and - errr, discreet! - than the process which we have to go through at least once a year. But, until they find a way of examining our private parts and interior bits by means of inserting a tube down our nose or some other less invasive orifice, I guess there's not a lot we can do about it.

My gyno at least has a little cubicle with a curtain in which his patients can get undressed and he also has a very nice, supposedly calming picture on the ceiling (blue sky and clouds.... that sort of thing) which his guests can contemplate whilst they're being probed. He's also very discreet and friendly, giving me time to get dressed again and then take my place in the visitor's chair at his desk whilst we "discuss" his findings and finish up with a bit of small talk.

Edit or "P.S" - he actually once complimented me on my fallopian tubes!!!
Never had a OBGYN examination in the US but the way Swiss doctors do it here is very similar to what I've experienced at home. So not much of a culture shock for me there. Had to agree with MC and mopp that what you've experienced is a bog-standard examination here (well with the exception about the fallopian tube compliment!! ).

You'll get used to it in time to come - thankfully its only once a year!

I've always had female gynaes but ever since I moved down the lake, there is a male one who is literally 3 minutes away and he came highly recommended by lots of fellow EFers. I was a little nervous initially but my husband, the ever practical male told me to stop being silly as that man sees dozens of veejayjays a day. Tut.
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Don't worry, I'm sure he's seen it all before.
That doesn't make it any more dignified for the client.
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I find I much prefer the chair to the table and stirrups in the us. It's more comfortable. My gyn had a brand new one last time I saw her. Very space age. The undressing in two parts is a little cumbersome. My gyn has a little dressing stall.

Something else that's different here. If you require breast surgery, your surgery will likely be done by a gyn with a specialty in breast disease. In the US, you would see a surgeon. As long as your gyn is experienced, I think it's almost a better system for coordination of care.
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Re: Awkward Ob/Gyn Visit- difference between US and Swiss methods?

I had painful experiences in the UK with gyns. My gyn here in CH is ace. I was just there for an annual check up this week. He does a manual breast exam and even scans the ovaries each visit - very thorough and so gentle that often I don't even realize he's "finished the procedure"

It's still slightly strange - wandering over to the chair with a naked bottom half while talking about this and that - but important to make those checks!
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But of course you wear a skirt. Otherwise you also have the sock- question - on or off? .
Cold winter day? I would be tempted to wear long, funky coloured socks and keep them on.

Regarding other points that have been raised:

1. If you are not comfortable about having any medical students watching, then you do have the right to refuse their presence. In theory, you have should be asked first, as to whether it is okay for them to be watching/taught on you.

2. You have the right to say you are not confortable with walking across the room half naked, and to request a robe, wrap around towel or other suitable covering.

3. You have the right to ask for a female "chaperone" ( if there is no nurse available, it may be the receptionist) or to take your partner/friend for support and the chaperoning role.

If you are not happy, you have the right to terminate the appointment and leave.

I have once chosen to leave ( not Switzerland) and the client after me, also let, with the support of her husband.

4. An example from NZ: The nurse took me to a private room and explained the procedure I was going to have. She then left me in the changing area - private cubicle to remove all clothing below the waist and given a knee length, wrap around skirt to wear. The nurse came back and took me to the reclining chair apparatus, helped me get comfortable, then called for the doctor. He appeared, reexplained the procedure, asked if I had any questions, reasurred me that I would not be in pain, a sheet was placed over me, before lifting up the bottom of it and the skirt, he and did the procedure - pausing at times to explain points to me, whilst I looked at what he was doing, on the screen. The nurse remained present throughout. A male doctor in NZ does NOT do a gyn, exam or procedure without a female attendant being present.

General exam/ insertion of IUD/smear test etc : done either lying on the back, legs drawn up and apart, OR lying on the side, with top leg drawn up, allowing access from below/behind. Attendant not present if it is a female doctor.

I would probably walk out if I had a doctor giving me the brisk "I have seen it all before" routine. What I want is a doctor who treats me as an individual and has enough empathy to acknowledge that I may be feeling apprehensive, anxious or scared at whatever is about to happen - whatever part of my body is about to invaded.
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Re: Awkward Ob/Gyn Visit- difference between US and Swiss methods?

Funny thread! Now that I have had children I'm quite comfortable with annual exams, medical nakedness etc. I think I list any remaining reserve when I did 'pelvis floor re-education' after my third child in France. After a very detailed and thorough discussion and examination with chief physio, my vagina got a mark out of 5 for strength and appearance, and prescribed 20 sessions of re-education. Thank goodness the physio that did this was half Dutch and had an excellent sense of humour because I could only get through it cackling - a lot. Most bizarre thing I have ever done but got everything back in place an correct, something which I am very grateful for everytime I go on thd kid' trampoline.
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Old 24.03.2011, 21:25
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Yep it's how it is here

My gyne has seen my bits more often than my husband so all inhibitions have gone completely out the window for this prude Brit

Haven't read the whole thread but just think yourself lucky you didn't experience the dildo cam
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Had the dildo cam in the US, if what you mean is an ultrasound inserted ..... there. At least you don't have to drink a gallon of water for that one.

And I'd definitely keep my socks on.
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Re: Awkward Ob/Gyn Visit- difference between US and Swiss methods?

i had it too, if its the one that journeys around your insides- even got to see all the cool stuff inside. and my gyno in the u.s had the chair too, i actually prefer it.
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Ladies, no need to patronize, keep your bras on.

For some people, yearly exam is nothing else than that. For some, with some other tolerance level of modesty/embarrassment/pain, it's big deal, so what. Doesn't make them redneck or backwards.

For some, it's a painful procedure, since their organ down their is miniscule and the smallest size of the tools are too big.
First, this sentence is becoming my new signature! Priceless!

I am one of those who gets pain when being examined into the vagina, even worst now with the episiotomy. And giving birth didn't change that...


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The best quote of this thread goes to MusicChick with
"Ladies keep your bras on"

Back on topic.. I didn't feel comfy going through it all with a male doctor and like Kodokan, I agree it's really nice to have a competent female Ob/Gyn.
I prefer to have a woman too. I am quite shy and yes I know they saw thousands of vagina before me but I didn't show my vagina to thousand of strangers before them...


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HOWEVER, in my experience, when it comes to the actual physical part, it has been the male doctors that were more gentle. Almost like the females were of a mind like "if I can tolerate that, so can she"...
I think so too!

To the OP, I had a great laugh! The way you write is so funny! Loved it!
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For some, it's a painful procedure, since their organ down their is miniscule and the smallest size of the tools are too big. I have an advice for those, check in your home countries for disposable, smooth plastic (2fr in pharmacies) mirrors (we call them mirrors since they used to reflect the vaginal walls, I think it is a speculum in En) in small sizes and take them with you for your annual check up.
Oh ... hahahaaa.... I thought those were for looking behind your teeth in the mirror ....... But I see ..... you look up your f***y with it? Now, WHY would anyone want to do THAT ?

Gosh I must be getting old ..hahaaaaa

Okay, I gonna get with-it and go buy one of those for my daughter-in-law and tell her what it`s for.

Her husband has one in his toothbrush cup and so I really must assume that one is for the teeth check up? I reared him, so I know he does not need that to find his wedding tackle...hahaaaaa
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Oh ... hahahaaa.... I thought those were for looking behind your teeth in the mirror ....... But I see ..... you look up your f***y with it? Now, WHY would anyone want to do THAT ?

Gosh I must be getting old ..hahaaaaa

Okay, I gonna get with-it and go buy one of those for my daughter-in-law and tell her what it`s for.

Her husband has one in his toothbrush cup and so I really must assume that one is for the teeth check up? I reared him, so I know he does not need that to find his wedding tackle...hahaaaaa
Are you telling us that you never examined your vagina? I thought it was a myth that women don't look at their private part...
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A great post ZenAgent - you really made me laugh.
Thanks. Glad you survived ... as we all have to do, somehow.
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