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Old 28.03.2011, 22:21
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I guess depends on your insurance cover...

now I'm trying (unsuccessfully) to think of some way to make a pun about better a 2K deductable than 2 deducted...
No, if you have 2k deductable, a vasectomy costs CHF 500, and you have no other medical costs in the year, they don't pay anything, regardless of the company.

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Old 28.03.2011, 22:24
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Re: Tubal Ligation VS Vasectomy

you're right... but i meant it depends on what insurance cover you have including what deductable... i.e. not everyone has 2000chf...

also i've had cases where doctors write a letter to the insurance company and can avoid the deductables through reasoning... happened to me (not with the vasectomy though)...

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No, if you have 2k deductable, a vasectomy costs CHF 500, and you have no other medical costs in the year, they don't pay anything, regardless of the company.

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Old 28.03.2011, 22:29
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Re: Tubal Ligation VS Vasectomy

Hey Nil,

I had never heard of this, if you gimme a day Ill get you an answer
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Old 28.03.2011, 22:33
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you're right... but i meant it depends on what insurance cover you have including what deductable... i.e. not everyone has 2000chf...
Yes, but if, like most men, you rarely go to the doctor (as is my case), it's best to have the highest deductible possible.

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Old 28.03.2011, 22:36
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To answer one of your questions:

According to someone I spoke to last week who had it done - it's covered by insurance here.
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No, they (vasectomies) are not, but tubal ligations after giving birth are.

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I wonder why my friend said that then? There must be a good reason why he said that.
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Old 28.03.2011, 22:39
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I wonder why my friend said that then? There must be a good reason why he said that.
It's covered to the extent that it exceeds your deductable. If you have a high deductable (to reduce your rates), it won't be unless you've had a lot of other medical bills the same year.

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Old 28.03.2011, 22:53
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It's covered to the extent that it exceeds your deductable. If you have a high deductable (to reduce your rates), it won't be unless you've had a lot of other medical bills the same year.

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Okay - thanks - they had a massive amount of (unrelated) medical bills this year.
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Old 28.03.2011, 22:58
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Okay - thanks - they had a massive amount of (unrelated) medical bills this year.
Yes, well, thats why if I feel I need to go to the doctor towards the end of the year, I wait until after the New Year!

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P.S. I think it would make more sense to be within any 12 month period, and not calendar year.
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Old 28.03.2011, 22:59
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Re: Tubal Ligation VS Vasectomy

But Nil, what do you feel comfortable with ?

The reason I mentioned that it's a good idea to select a reversable option, is that there is a psychological impact when you can no longer have children (whether it's because a deliberate choice, as discussed here, has been made or because a medical condition has taken away the possibility).

It's not as light as one may perhaps think.
You do feel the change.
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Old 28.03.2011, 23:29
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But Nil, what do you feel comfortable with ?

The reason I mentioned that it's a good idea to select a reversable option, is that there is a psychological impact when you can no longer have children (whether it's because a deliberate choice, as discussed here, has been made or because a medical condition has taken away the possibility).

It's not as light as one may perhaps think.
You do feel the change.
That definitely has impact on self perception, I concur. I talked to people who went through this (both f and m), it can be difficult for some.
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That definitely has impact on self perception, I concur. I talked to people who went through this (both f and m), it can be difficult for some.
Yes.... I'm speaking from experience. When the possibility was taken away due to an emergency operation in my 30s, I didn't think it would affect me as I was already a mama, but it did affect me. I felt quite badly about it for several years. Only now, in my early 40s have I stopped minding.
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Re: Tubal Ligation VS Vasectomy

Well Nil, seems you are deciding to not have any more children .... and now are seeking a means of prevention......... T/L vs VS.

The only men I know who`ve had this, and speak freely and openly about it .... my brother, my brother-in-law, my last husband, and my current boyfriend .... ALL had NO complaints.

From my own point of view and experience I would say it seems it makes more common sense for the man to have the Vasectomy.

Why? .... Simply because I had the T/L after my 3rd child - 2 months after birth - and ended up having to have a (partial) Hysterectomy because of the problems ensuing....... The surgeon I consulted with the result of the T/L was angry about it having been done saying that it is not a good idea, or recommended, to render a healthy organ unproductive.... it is an invitation to future problems, which are then only solved by an Hysterectomy, which is a MAJOR operation for the woman!

Much easier, and healthier, for the man to be rendered sterile - he has no major internal organ affected by sterilization. He also has no invasive surgery, his is literally a snip-snip job.
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As nothing in life is certain, I always cringe when someone suggests each of the two options you are reviewing which, aside from some very nasty side effects if things don't go according to plan, they are both difficult or impossible to reverse in many instances (despite the assurances) should your situation change.
Too true, you can never be sure what life has in store. Someone very close to me had her tubes tied after the birth of her second, but, tragically, the child died of cot death six months after he was born. She was young enough and willing enough to have "another" second child to be a sibling for her eldest, but it was impossible.
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Re: Tubal Ligation VS Vasectomy

So giving it up for lent didn't work?

Tell your husband to tie a knot in it or, well, two knots a couple of snips and Bob's your auntie. Give him a few weeks to rest up then enjoy! Someone I know wondered why he didn't do it years ago. Such a major stress relief.

Women's bodies are complicated. Somehow all the stories I heard of ended up with hysterectomy. For men it's a simple, quick procedure, a synch compared to childbirth.

http://www.experienceproject.com/gro...asectomy/14983
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But Nil, what do you feel comfortable with ?

The reason I mentioned that it's a good idea to select a reversable option, is that there is a psychological impact when you can no longer have children (whether it's because a deliberate choice, as discussed here, has been made or because a medical condition has taken away the possibility).

It's not as light as one may perhaps think.
You do feel the change.
I am done, done, done! If I want to have an other child in 5 years from now () I will go for adoption anyway. I always wanted to adopt a child so... But pregnancy? No thank you! I am sure sure sure. Me not liking it, me not enjoying it.

2 kids is a perfect number for us and we are happy this way.

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Someone I know wondered why he didn't do it years ago. Such a major stress relief.
Et Voilą! I want that stress relief! And believe me, this is the way I'll feel. I am not going to feel less of a woman or something.

Like I said earlier, I am not going to do it. Not with all the risks and problems that can occur. Hubby is the one who will get the snip snip!
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Re: Tubal Ligation VS Vasectomy

The symptoms described on that web page seem pretty normal to me for women at a certain age .... and why are they constantly talking about hormonal changes related to the TL? It's not as if your ovaries are taken out, they still produce hormones, only the way for the egg is blocked so it can't be fertilized.

I suppose it actually is "in their heads" or related to menopause.
Ectopic pregnancy or pregnancy are extremely rare (less than 1%)
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The symptoms described on that web page seem pretty normal to me for women at a certain age .... and why are they constantly talking about hormonal changes related to the TL? It's not as if your ovaries are taken out, they still produce hormones, only the way for the egg is blocked so it can't be fertilized.

I suppose it actually is "in their heads" or related to menopause.
Ectopic pregnancy or pregnancy are extremely rare (less than 1%)
Please before to assume it is in their heads, read more about it. Look at the other link I provided yesterday!

I got myself to many doctors telling me my illness was in my head until a doctor finally got to put his finger out of his nose and did proper research.

Sadly, in this situation, women's health is always in second plan in research when it comes to inexplicable symptoms.
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Don't worry Nil, according to the World Health Organization, if you do it "nature's way" and breastfeed you'll only have a baby every two to three years. That's not so bad, is it?
I was told, and by a doctor, that if you breastfeed you get light chances to get a child again during that period, so hubby and I decided (As I planned to breastfed for 6 months already) to use only condoms. WRONG!! Condom broke and next thing I know I was pregnant for 2 years in a row.
Now we are checking options to get hubby the vasectomy but insurance wont cover it (it may vary on your police)
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The easiest option is for Mr Nil to have a Vasectomy. ...
Quite right. You've done your bit by doing the whole pregnancy and childbirth stuff - now it's his turn. Get him a T-shirt afterwards, with IFOB on it. I had the snip ten years ago. No regrets whatsover. I had it done privately in the UK at a specialist clinic for £250. The t-shirt was £10.

If anyone goes for what is effectively a sterilisation procedure thinking "I can always have a reversal if the situation changes", should not have the op done.
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Re: Tubal Ligation VS Vasectomy

Hi Nil,

I, like many, vouch for either the trusty copper IUD (I have one now and have few/no problems with it) or a male vasectomy. And since business hours are over in your baby factory, the snip is much less evasive and more permanent.

I know several men who've had a vasectomy and not had any issues at all.

Good luck with it all and enjoy your worry-free lovin'

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