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Old 08.04.2011, 08:53
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Very unfortunate - hope dad is OK now. The 6 months max rule has been in operation for 5 years, so something went wrong there. Where was it btw?
No, Odile: something went right.

It's common knowledge that hospitals will call patients in for an operation, then cancel it at the last minute, so they can say "Yes, but he was admitted within six months of making his appointment", while still continuing to struggle through cases that were booked two years before.

That's what happens when you let accountants and politicians run the show, rather than the professional staff who know full well that they aren't going to meet the targets imposed by people who've never set foot in a surgical ward.

Another reason not to live in Britain.
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Old 08.04.2011, 09:14
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No, of course it could happen anywhere
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Well, I've been here over 30 years and have LOADS of experience with the health service. With certainty I can tell you that mis-diagnosis/no diagnosis is not just a UK related problem. Actually I could make a long list of experiences encountered here but won't bother. Thing is with the training of doctors in the western system who rely too much on lab. results, and technology.
I said earlier in the thread that I didn't think this problem was confined to the UK and I agree with you. Doctors are only human but I think in the UK they are more stretched than here in Switzerland and are therefore more likely to make mistakes and miss things.

I'm sorry that you've had so many problems with the health service here. My health is (touch wood) pretty good so I don't have enough experiences with the doctors and hospitals to comment whether I find it good or bad in general, except to say I've been seen promptly, diagnosed and treated correctly on the rare occasions I've been sick or had some kind of accident.
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Old 08.04.2011, 09:18
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How glad am I that I live in Switzerland. Poor woman.
Cancer testing is not conclusive. There many factors affecting the process:
- not all cancers are fast growing / posing any significant threat. Still in most cases all are being treated as if they were life-threatening. If it is a slow cancer the risks and pain connected to the treatment is not worth it.

- smear/marker estimation does not necessarily give good results (especially in context of false positives). And having a rate of let's say 10% false positive rate results in many unnecessary further tests (e.g. biopsies)

- similarly biopsies are not always right - especially when there aren't too many abnormal cells. Imagine taking 1mm^2 of tissue from an organ that is apple sized.

- the more tests you do, the higher likelihood of finding abnormal cells (as there will always be some small tumors that are not posing much risk)

- despite the increasing cancer detection rates, the mortality is not falling. Which means that in many cases we detect the cancers that are benign. Usually these are the fast growing cancers that kill, and even having an exam every year might miss these.

I recommend reading this book for an interesting point of view on the clinical data, medical providers push for screening and few seemingly obvious ideas that are not so obvious for the majority of people.
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Re: Swiss doctors diagnose cervical cancer missed by UK doctors.

Someone close to me was mis-diagnosed for 3 years here. He took the responsibility for his health by going to his GP on several occasions but the GP kept saying that there was either nothing wrong or on one occasion gave the totally wrong diagnosis. Once he finally had a proper diagosis (which came about purley by chance) his Oncologist said that any one of his symptoms should have alerted the GP but all of them together were enough that he should have been sent staight to a specialist, they were all symptoms that a first year medical student should have been able to spot & one of them should not have been mistaken for anything else. The moral of the story is that is you suspect something is really wrong don't give up on getting answers, your life could depend on it.

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You have to take a certain responsibility for your own health aswell.
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Yes but they do a lot of "unnecessary" surgeries in UK too. Many people have died in UK hospitals from infections. The point is that in Switzerland they don't see the need to "remind" you every time to take care of your health unless there was a problem diagnosed previously. Your health is your responsibility. Many times people come to Switzerland and want to be treated like babies, then they realize they have to "grow up" and be responsible. Not criticizing you personally though, just writing about the subject.
Also a certain amount of unnecessary surgery here too. It is nice to be treated like a baby though and feel cared for sometimes.
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