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See, we don't just heal people, we're cosmologists too.
"A popular homeopathic treatment for flu is a 200C (10^-400) dilution of duck liver (Oscillococcinum). As there are only about 10^80 atoms in the entire observable universe, a mere 40C dilution of this would be approximately one molecule in this observable universe. Oscillococcinum thus requires 10^320 more universes to simply have one molecule in the final substance."
So there's a lot more out there than people think
Something is going wrong here.

As I only need two hundred liters of water, with the 200th liter containing the remedy, and any one of the 200 liters containing all or some of the original substance, then observably, it is right in front of me. Where do you get those massive figures from WJ ?
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But sadly, none of it has any duck liver in.
Does that mean it is OK for vegetarians?

May contain nuts.
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Where do you get those massive figures from WJ ?
It's called "arithmetic" - it's like homeopathy but even more complicated to explain, so don't you worry yourself.
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Something is going wrong here.

As I only need two hundred liters of water, with the 200th liter containing the remedy, and any one of the 200 liters containing all or some of the original substance, then observably, it is right in front of me. Where do you get those massive figures from WJ ?
But the statistical chance of the "remedy" containing any of the original substnce are virtually zero. It's not an enclosed system as you're removing 99/100 parts of each dlution series.
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It's called "arithmetic" - it's like homeopathy but even more complicated to explain, so don't you worry yourself.
We are not talking about getting any actual duck liver in the final remedy though. That's just plain silly. The remedy doesn't have to contain a single molecule of duck liver to be a remedy.
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We are not talking about getting any actual duck liver in the final remedy though. That's just plain silly. The remedy doesn't have to contain a single molecule of duck liver to be a remedy.
And, of course, the remedy may end up in a different universe but will then be able to cure an entirely different lifeform of a disease we've never even heard of in this one.

How cool is that!
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And, of course, the remedy may end up in a different universe but will then be able to cure an entirely different lifeform of a disease we've never even heard of in this one.

How cool is that!
It's Jim, life, but not as we know it.

Blue ones Jim, the blue ones !!!
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We are not talking about getting any actual duck liver in the final remedy though. That's just plain silly. The remedy doesn't have to contain a single molecule of duck liver to be a remedy.
So then how do you know it's the non-present-remembered Duck Liver that cured you, and not the non-present-remembered dog turd, non-present-remembered Heineken-rat-piss, non-present-remembered-Queen-Victoria's spit, etc etc etc that are all also not in the glass of water administered as a remedy?

The cup of tea on my desk has no duck liver in it - therefore it's a homeopathic flu remedy?
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We are not talking about getting any actual duck liver in the final remedy though. That's just plain silly. The remedy doesn't have to contain a single molecule of duck liver to be a remedy.
Most would disagree with that, in fact, most people would consider such a statement absolutely ridiculous.

So why bother with the duck liver in the first place? If you did get a bit of duck liver in your final remedy, exactly which bit would it be? You could have all sorts of bits of duck liver all over the place, even if, say, found all the bottles of duck liver remedy that contained a molecule of the original duck liver. All the molecules would be different chemicals!!
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Most would disagree with that, in fact, most people would consider such a statement absolutely ridiculous.

So why bother with the duck liver in the first place? If you did get a bit of duck liver in your final remedy, exactly which bit would it be? You could have all sorts of bits of duck liver all over the place, even if, say, found all the bottles of duck liver remedy that contained a molecule of the original duck liver. All the molecules would be different chemicals!!
The duck liver is not the remedy. The succussed diluted solution that has had a presence of the duck liver in, is.

Molecular memory.


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Re: Homeopathy also proves the existence of multiple universes...

I'm now just waiting for UtH to say "clearly however, this is all a load of sloblock"

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So why bother with the duck liver in the first place? If you did get a bit of duck liver in your final remedy, exactly which bit would it be? You could have all sorts of bits of duck liver all over the place, even if, say, found all the bottles of duck liver remedy that contained a molecule of the original duck liver. All the molecules would be different chemicals!!
But it's not about the dilution, it's about something else, don't forget!!
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So then how do you know it's the non-present-remembered Duck Liver that cured you, and not the non-present-remembered dog turd, non-present-remembered Heineken-rat-piss, non-present-remembered-Queen-Victoria's spit, etc etc etc that are all also not in the glass of water administered as a remedy?

The cup of tea on my desk has no duck liver in it - therefore it's a homeopathic flu remedy?
If those lovely things are present, they are not known to have any provings. Also, how do you know if or if not they are having an affect on you. Also, if they are present in the water, they are already diluted, and will get further diluted with the process, so they are not the same dilution as the original duck liver nor will they be present in Homeopathic dilutions , which are quite exact, not being 30c + 0.37 dog poo.

What are the symptoms of taking too much dog poo and QV spit ?
If they could be succussed and diluted, then a homeopathic remedy of the same would cure the symptoms.
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What are the symptoms of taking too much dog poo and QV spit ?
If they could be succussed and diluted, then a homeopathic remedy of the same would cure the symptoms.
So if you eat too much duck liver, you get the flu
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If they could be succussed and diluted, then a homeopathic remedy of the same would cure the symptoms.
How many times do I have to tell you that homeopathy is not about dilution?



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So if you eat too much duck liver, you get ful
Fixed it for you
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So if you eat too much duck liver, you get the flu
You would get the symptoms of eating too much Duck liver. These may be similar to certain flu symptoms. I myself do not intend on 'proving' the remedy. But feel free to.
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The duck liver is not the remedy. The succussed diluted solution that has had a presence of the duck liver in, is.

Molecular memory.


You spin me right round right round...
So molecular memory works and remembers more complex structures like whatever the duckliver was? Comprised as it is of many many different molecules. It's not like there's a duck liver element.

Are you sure they don't just put drugs in the water that make you vulnerable to suggestion?

Honestly, it's legalised fraud.
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Re: Strike 1 for the anti-homeopathicists

All the water present in the universe has been in existance since shortly after the big bang. Statistically then, based on "water memory" they would have come into contact with virtually every substance in the known universe, so all water present would hold identical "memories". So all homeopathic "remedies" are identical. Which beggars the question, how can they then be used to treat different ailments, if, as they claim, there is nothing in them?
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So molecular memory works and remembers more complex structures like whatever the duckliver was? Comprised as it is of many many different molecules. It's not like there's a duck liver element.
It's not just any old duck liver, you know - it's Muscovy duck liver!

S'important, d'you see?!
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All the water present in the universe has been in existance since shortly after the big bang. Statistically then, based on "water memory" they would have come into contact with virtually every substance in the known universe, so all water present would hold identical "memories". So all homeopathic "remedies" are identical. Which beggars the question, how can they then be used to treat different ailments, if, as they claim, there is nothing in them?
I'm on your side here Paddy but the answer from UtH will be "ah yes but it's not diluted to the exact arbitrary specific dilution / succussion that is required" and from WJ will be "it's not about dilution"

Asked and answered (or, sort of answered) already in earlier posts...
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