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Stop being so thick and emotive, dragging this thread off topic. (The word troll comes to mind) I used an analogy for anecdotal evidence. Go back, re-read, digest. If it helps your mind, replace rapist with "victim of any crime" whereby the courts say it cannot be proved , yet the victim clearly knows it happened.

Get a a grip eh ?
How is dragging rape into this thread on topic?
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No, the whole point is you trying to say anecdotal evidence is significant, when it's repeatedly been shown to you that it isn't in any shape or form. We cant gather evidence from a single person, we have to compare them to people who have the same symptoms and see which medicine worked on them. Homepathy has repeatedly failed this test, it performs no better than sugar pills. But you want that dismissed by deliberately trying confuse the argument to suggesting anecdotal evidence is significant in this case. It is not.
It is significant to the person that experienced it. You can't quite grasp this can you ? If I smacked you around the face, with nobody around to witness it, you would be pretty peeved if I said , or the courts said, it didn't happen or cannot be proved wouldn't you ?

Now , excuse me while I ignore you until you change the record.
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Old 14.04.2011, 12:06
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It is significant to the person that experienced it. You can't quite grasp this can you ? If I smacked you around the face, with nobody around to witness it, you would be pretty peeved if I said , or the courts said, it didn't happen or cannot be proved wouldn't you ?

Now , excuse me while I ignore you until you change the record.
I would have bruising. Once you grasp that homepathy has no effect on the body, you might see where we're all coming from.
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Old 14.04.2011, 12:10
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I would have bruising. Once you grasp that homepathy has no effect on the body, you might see where we're all coming from.
What If I didn't bruise you ?
What if the bruises had gone before you got to the Police ?
How can you prove "I" bruised you.

Please, stop and think before you post. My analogy is quite clear. It is obvious that analogies escape you and you fail to grasp them, insisting on dragging them through illogical conclusion and taking them literally.

Go back and read my posts.

For the last time.

Try telling someone that something didn't happen, when they experienced it first hand. Try asking them to prove it before they speak about it. Try telli....

Oh just forget it. You will never understand or grasp this. You are just a plain old troll , or someone who is bereft of logic.
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Old 14.04.2011, 12:11
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I would have bruising. Once you grasp that homepathy has no effect on the body, you might see where we're all coming from.
Earth calling Cyrus... Hello ???

"What if I DIDN'T bruise you...."

Over ?


Let me dumb this down really easy for you.

What if I called you an idiot, and no one was around. You heard me call you an idiot, you are sure I called you an idiot. But can you prove it ? How would you feel if someone asked you to prove it, and just laughed at you because you can't ? All the scientists in the world would not convince you that you are wrong... What would you think of Scientists then...?
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Old 14.04.2011, 12:11
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Stop being so thick and emotive, dragging this thread off topic. (The word troll comes to mind) I used an analogy for anecdotal evidence. Go back, re-read, digest. If it helps your mind, replace rapist with "victim of any crime" whereby the courts say it cannot be proved , yet the victim clearly knows it happened.

Get a a grip eh ?
The victim of homeopathy (well, you know my views) does NOT clearly know it happened. They know they were cured, or recovered, but have no idea what cured them. Probably just the passage of time, or a misdiagnosis in the first place.
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It is significant to the person that experienced it. You can't quite grasp this can you ? If I smacked you around the face, with nobody around to witness it, you would be pretty peeved if I said , or the courts said, it didn't happen or cannot be proved wouldn't you ?

Now , excuse me while I ignore you until you change the record.
If twenty people smacked you around the face, you would have bruising, but you wouldn't be able to tell which of those twenty actually caused the bruising and which had no effect at all.
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Old 14.04.2011, 12:13
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Earth calling Cyrus... Hello ???

"What if I DIDN'T bruise you...."

Over ?
So it would be a homepathic punch?
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Thread descending into farce, please improve the quality of the debate. Thanks
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If twenty people smacked you around the face, you would have bruising, but you wouldn't be able to tell which of those twenty actually caused the bruising and which had no effect at all.
It's not about who hit you, it's about being proved you were hit by someone to the satisfaction of the courts/Scientists. I expect better from you Tom...
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Old 14.04.2011, 12:19
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Oh just forget it. You will never understand or grasp this. You are just a plain old troll , or someone who is bereft of logic.
Bereft of logic? You keep comparing things which are proved to have an effect, assault for example, to something which can be shown to have no effect, homeopathy. Until you bring meanigful evidence that homeopathy has any physical effect beyond the patient saying "i feel a bit better" your analogies are entirely vacuous.
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Old 14.04.2011, 12:21
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It's not about who hit you, it's about being proved you were hit by someone to the satisfaction of the courts/Scientists. I expect better from you Tom...
Huh?

So, to get back to anecdotal cures, it's not about what made you better, it's about getting better by some means?

You've contradicted your own argument.
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Huh?

So, to get back to anecdotal cures, it's not about what made you better, it's about getting better by some means?

You've contradicted your own argument.
No , you have overstretched the analogy. For the last time in this thread, my analogy relates to somebody experiencing something, and then being told they didn't , because there is no proof or cannot prove it happened.
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Old 14.04.2011, 12:28
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No , you have overstretched the analogy. For the last time in this thread, my analogy relates to somebody experiencing something, and then being told they didn't , because there is no proof or cannot prove it happened.
Is anyone really disputing that these people feel/got better? From what I've read here, I don't think so.

The dispute is that it is the homeopathic remedy that made them better. There is absolutely no proof of this.
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No , you have overstretched the analogy. For the last time in this thread, my analogy relates to somebody experiencing something, and then being told they didn't , because there is no proof or cannot prove it happened.
And that's not a correct anolgy either. The analogy relate to somebody experiencing something, then establishing the cause of that experience (you however, don't seem to think the cause is important). No one will deny that someone got better if they did, that's what they call evidence. But you want to equate getting better to homeopathy working.

If you really want a court room anaolgy, it would be a post mortem. Someone experienced death, the point is to decide what caused it.
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Is anyone really disputing that these people feel better? From what I've read here, I don't think so.

The dispute is that it is the homeopathic remedy that made them better. There is absolutely no proof of this.
LOL, back to square one. The point here being, is that the people that got better after taking Homeopathic remedies. The Scientists discard this as there is no proof. Not the proof they want. Not Scientific proof. But how is all that relevant to the person that was cured ? What should they think of the Scientists ?

No point in arguing that they were or were not cured by Homeopathy. They believe they were, on good grounds.
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LOL, back to square one. The point here being, is that the people that got better after taking Homeopathic remedies. The Scientists discard this as there is no proof. Not the proof they want. Not Scientific proof. But how is all that relevant to the person that was cured ? What should they think of the Scientists ?

No point in arguing that they were or were not cured by Homeopathy. They believe they were, on good grounds.
Bzzzzz. You were doing so well up to that point, though.
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Old 14.04.2011, 12:37
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Bzzzzz. You were doing so well up to that point, though.
Person is ill.
Person is told to take cure A and will get better.
Person takes cure A and gets better.
Person has good grounds to believe Cure A cured her.

Arguments for and against that logic have been posted already. But that person does have good grounds to believe.
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Old 14.04.2011, 12:43
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Person is ill.
Person is told to take cure A and will get better.
Person takes cure A and gets better.
Person has good grounds to believe Cure A cured her.

Arguments for and against that logic have been posted already. But that person does have good grounds to believe.
Only through suggestion, if they thought about it a bit, they might realise any number of factors could have helped them.

Cure A could be anything, and in the case of homepathy, it's been shown that "Homeopathic cure A" is just as effective as "Sugar Pill A". So why do homeopaths have to do all that fancy stuff with water if they can just give their patients a sugar pill?
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No, you believe they're good grounds because they fit into what you believe to be correct. You could extend this to prayer or whatnot. The scientific evidence for either of these things working is about equal (there is none).

If they, say, prayed specifically to the Devil and got better, would those be good grounds for believing that the Devil is actually a benevolent dude who helps in time of disease? Whatever "works", amiright?
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