Hey, it's your money. Non-Western medecine has cured allergies?! I wasn't aware.

....... I think Homeopaths are Cheetah's

LOL, what does homeopathy attempt to do? Cures the common cold does it? It's a feel good mantra, "treats the cause, not the symptoms". Bollox it does. "treats the patients need for attention" would be more accurate.

You are welcome to your opinion. Had you have tried the stuff in earnest, I could have taken your scorn seriously.

Oh, look...


Let's fix that for you

There, that's better!

or

Patient "I saw a cat today. It flew down from the sky on it's wings and shimmered with light. It then proceeded to eat itself until only the wings were left. The wings then burst into flame but were not consumed. I understand that this is completely contrary to all science and observation and everything that we understand about the world and rely on everyday but..."
Scientists "You can't prove you did, therefore this cat does not exist"
Patient "But I stroked it and it was purring and the shimmering light from it's halo was beautiful"
Scientists "I understand that, and while it could have happened, it's more probably that you were taking acid, or are a nut job"

Patient "I took an remedy yesterday and am now better"
Scientist "You would have got better anyway, the remedy did not make you better. We have tested this remedy and it does not work"
Patient. "It has always worked for me"
Scientist "Rubbish, you must still be sick or were never ill in the first place, or got better because the immune system takes care of almost all diseases by itself in time, or you took something or did something that helped you get better without realising it"

Fixed that for you.

Why would he need to try the stuff at all. That's not how the world (science, dare I) works. I've never been to the moon, but have no desire to take a stroll in shorts and t-shirt there. Science tells me it'd be a terrible idea.

Really? I doubt it. I prefer my own placebos, red wine, curries and spicy food for flus and cold. At least when I buy them, I get a measurable ammount of curry and wine.

I could make you a homepathic version if you like. It's be the same price, but dilluted till you get nothing.

Also, I don't understand this preoccupation with the term "Western Medicine". As if they're all about homeopathy in Tokyo. There is only "Medicine". This can take the form of clinically standardised pharmaceuticals (pills and whatnot) or a sprig of herbs that contain chemicals that react with the body in a way we understand. Basil, for example, is a herb which makes pasta taste great. It does not run contrary to either medicine or cookery and bringing herbal remedies into a conversation about homeopathy is obfuscation in the extreme.

Or not .

UTH, are you jut trolling here? The first 3 pages you spent defending herbal medicine, and then by this point your argument has seemingly shifted to defend homeopathy?

The placebo effect is a recognised medical mystery, but at least most practitioners who employ it have the basic decency to call it what it is.

That's slightly naive by your usual argument standards.

Do you have a counter argument or are you saving it for the summer?

Glad you put the disclaimer in the original post, 'cos otherwise, we could talk about the (potential) merits of snake oil...

Actually, now that Weejeem and Economisto are in this thread again, I am going to take time out. I have a potato to bury at the bottom of the garden...

Wasn't homeopathy dreamed up in the west? By some guy who ran out of dubious cures and came up with the genius idea of telling people they were stronger if diluted.

As I started this thread, a quick update is required...
Bought the nice chemical spray, used once daily in the morning. Slightly bitter taste in the mouth, but no adverse side effects. Nose stopped drippping immediately, even my eyes aren't as bad as last year (but probably due to concommitant use of anti-histamine eyedrops ).

Hmm cure vs mask symptoms? Last time I checked, antibiotics CURE bacterial infections, Anti-virals such as Acyclovir kill viruses, thereby CURING the infection, chemotherapy kills cancer cells (granted, with severe side effects, but hey, it's cancer).
Nothing to my knowledge can CURE hayfever, unless you call immune desensitisation a cure.

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