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No, again another misunderstanding on Homeopathy.

A remedy at 30c , is different to that same remedy at 200c and 1M

They would be used for different symptoms/diseases.

You would not 'increase' the potency/dilution to get a greater effect of the same remedy for the same symptom.
OK, too many moving goal posts for me - there's not enough here for me to trust it as an alternative to conventional medicine. If it works for the fans of homeopathy then that's lovely but my only brush with it was when a secretary gave me some balm to rub on my forehead once when I had a cracking headache and didn't have any Neurofen to hand. Made absolutely no difference.

Oh and the "globuli" they give out at daycare. WTF are they?
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Judging by the petri-dishes I used to find in our fridge at home, and the fact that my wife was working in cancer research at the time, I'd say quite a few
Darling, I don't really like the taste of this new brand of yoghurt you've been buying....
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A remedy at 30c , is different to that same remedy at 200c and 1M

They would be used for different symptoms/diseases.

You would not 'increase' the potency/dilution to get a greater effect of the same remedy for the same symptom.
I see, wait, no I don't, do you? So you're saying water that someone has shaken 20 times gives a completly different effect to water shaken a 200 times?

So that "treat like with like", how does that fit in? Does the thing that is like something become like something else if you pretend it's in a different amount of water?
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Not bad, a nice measured reply that answered almost all my points - except the one above?

For a full dissection of Newton's Experimental Laws as a proof, here's a link to a PDF download - http://iopscience.iop.org/0143-0807/8/1/002/
If you could do the same to support homeopathy, that would be great too.
Hmmm, we can go quoting links, anti-links all day long. It has already been done on many other various threads and forums. That's not to say you don't deserve the answer you are looking for, just that other people can say it better than me in a way that might make you believe or disbelieve. I would only be a messenger. Should you however choose to look further, you will find that Homeopathy is scientifically proven to work beyond the placebo effect. You will also find Scientific proof that it doesn't. It's up to you what you choose to believe with an open mind rather than trying to win this argument in this forum.

Personally speaking, I do get a chuckle from some of the scorn, it's quite creative.
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Only in name...
Hey, have you changed sides now, too?
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Only in name...
KIndly explain.

Water existed on this planet before life first emerged.

Therefore water is older than the immune system.

Therefore homeopathy predates the immune system.
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I see, wait, no I don't, do you? So you're saying water that someone has shaken 20 times gives a completly different effect to water shaken a 200 times?

So that "treat like with like", how does that fit in? Does the thing that is like something become like something else if you pretend it's in a different amount of water?
I never said that. I spoke about substances being diluted at 30c having different effects to the same substance being diluted at say 200c or 1M.

We can have a debate, but you really have to give proper time to my answer and avoid misquoting me.
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Oh and the "globuli" they give out at daycare. WTF are they?
Hush, cherub. Take these and you'll feel better.

That's it. Tablets are the answer to everything...
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OK, too many moving goal posts for me - there's not enough here for me to trust it as an alternative to conventional medicine. If it works for the fans of homeopathy then that's lovely but my only brush with it was when a secretary gave me some balm to rub on my forehead once when I had a cracking headache and didn't have any Neurofen to hand. Made absolutely no difference.

Oh and the "globuli" they give out at daycare. WTF are they?
That reminds me when I was in Labor. The nurses and midwife kept giving me homeopathic pills to put under the tongue, which apparently help to control the pain.... I wanted to kill them, one by one in a very slow and painful death...

Labor and homeopathie... doesn't go together.
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KIndly explain.

Water existed on this planet before life first emerged.

Therefore water is older than the immune system.

Therefore homeopathy predates the immune system.
Easy Cowboy. What sort of logic is that ?

The immune system does not post-date Homeopathy as Weejem said. It was merely called that, and a name given to something that is as old as man itself. Shall we say that Modern Biology claimed to have discovered it, but it was there already and has been referred to in Ancient Chinese Medecine and other ancient texts.

People still keep harping on about glasses of water etc etc, but Homeopathy speaks of succussed solutions. Let's parody those instead shall we, people are starting to get confused about water. Your argument or whatever it is you posted is just way too obscure or comprehend-able.
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People have here have scorned the effects of dilution. The study I posted was linked to dilution, not to Homeopathy. I can't make it any easier than that. Once people accept the effects of high dilutions, then perhaps we can throw that anti-dilution custard pie in some other direction, rather than at Homeopathy.
You sure about that?

Because when I googled your article, it was plastered all over homeopathy websites, as some sort of "proof of principle".

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We are setting the basis for a new science: the physics-chemistry of homeopathic water. These results make for a strong support to the hypothesis of the existence of a memory of water.
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This study confirms that there is something there in homeopathic water. It should now be known that physicians and scientists who assume that there is nothing in homeopathic medicines are showing their own ignorance of the scientific literature.
From here...

Is now a good time to post this...?

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That reminds me when I was in Labor. The nurses and midwife kept giving me homeopathic pills to put under the tongue, which apparently help to control the pain.... I wanted to kill them, one by one in a very slow and painful death...

Labor and homeopathie... doesn't go together.
Which labour #1 or #2?
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That reminds me when I was in Labor. The nurses and midwife kept giving me homeopathic pills to put under the tongue, which apparently help to control the pain.... I wanted to kill them, one by one in a very slow and painful death...

Labor and homeopathie... doesn't go together.
I should think not. Homeopathy, classically speaking, was formulated to treat disease. Pregnancy is not a disease.
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Not really replaced but just understood to be a special case of.

99.9999% of engineering cases (including even the Moon landings) use Newton's laws rather than Einstein's because the result is virtually identical in all realistic real world situations and the Maths in Newtonean physics is so much simpler.

You cannot really compare this to medicine where you cannot claim that placing dead frogs on your skin is a special case of antibiotics.

You're correct. That's why I wrote "replaced" in the way that I did. I just used this example for the sake of the argument
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You sure about that?

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Quite sure. Thanks.
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Quite sure. Thanks.
Butbutbut, I've just shown you that the authors of the article and a leading homeopath believe that this research shows that homeopathy has a scientific basis.

How can you then assert that you didn't post the article - in a thread about homeopathy, no less - to support the principle of homeopathy.

Seriously UTH. I expect better from you.
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Which labour #1 or #2?
#1, not on the #2 yet. And won't foul around with stupid little white homeo pills...
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The immune system does not post-date Homeopathy as Weejem said.

Tsk-tsk, there you anti-homepathy types go, twisting my words again.

What Weejeem actually said was

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Butbutbut, I've just shown you that the authors of the article and a leading homeopath believe that this research shows that homeopathy has a scientific basis.

How can you then assert that you didn't post the article - in a thread about homeopathy, no less - to support the principle of homeopathy.

Seriously UTH. I expect better from you.
Homeopathists cannot explain how their stuff works. No more than a Dr. can explain how a medicine works. They have a rough idea at best.

People have been ridiculing dilution for a while. Of course you are going to find evidence in it's favour on a a Homeopathic web site.

The study was not commissioned by Homeopathists. Nor was it first published on a Homeopathy web site.

I , for the record, did not post that link to support Homeopathy. I posted that link to detract from the ridicule being thrown at dilution. For the sake of this argument, I do not consider that article as part of the debate for Homeopathy.
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Tsk-tsk, there you anti-homepathy types go, twisting my words again.

What Weejeem actually said was
I see the difference now. Took me a few takes. Sorry.
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