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Re: Herpes Simplex Eye Disease

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Now let's see - someone who has never ever had a herpes issue has a thing with someone who does. During and following the thing, the formerly "un-herpesed" person suddenly has recurring outbreaks. While correlation and causation are a bit controversial as a pair, it does look quite suspicious, no? I'd feel exactly the same way as JLP, having never had a cold sore in my life either. Ah and the farmacist I asked about it yesterday confirms that, yes, you can get it off a person and that eye herpes is pretty dangerous stuff, as in, you can lose the eye.

So hell yeah, I'd be pissed.
I know a 85 year old man who's had an eye herpes for the last 30 years. He's in constant treatment and once we thought his eye would fall out. It seems he has it under control again and he's looking better.

Wishing the OP all the best and hope your attack will diminish soon and all will be well. Damn make-out sessions. Do we need a condom for that too?
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Old 21.04.2011, 10:26
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Re: Herpes Simplex Eye Disease

There was a very good article about herpes on NPR's site last week.

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Most folks, if they have symptoms, the symptoms are pretty mild - burning or itching that may last for a couple of days and goes away. So what we see are folks who either get misdiagnosed or they treat themselves, and of course it goes away so they think they don't have anything to worry about. And that's only part of the problem.
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And so what we're seeing is oral transmission that's primarily due to transmitting HSV-1 from mouth to genitals. So about 50 percent of the new genital herpes infections that we're seeing in the young adults now are due to HSV-1. And the clinical presentation for that is identical to HSV-2.
It's very contagious and very common. And spreading it to yourself is a real possibility- you touch or pick at a cold sore and then go take a whizz or rub you eye without washing hands and blammo.

Sorry to hear about your eye JL-P, really do hope you get better without more damage.
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Old 21.04.2011, 10:49
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Re: Herpes Simplex Eye Disease

Sorry to hear that, seems like the guy/girl whom you kissed was shedding at that time.
You can also get throat cancer from HPV (not the same thing as HSV).
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Now let's see - someone who has never ever had a herpes issue has a thing with someone who does.
Yeah: someone who shares the same virus as 90% of the world's population.

Catching the cold sore virus is almost inevitable - it's just a matter of time for anyone living any kind of normal life.

The alternative is simply to never have any physical contact with anyone, ever, just to be on the safe side. Given the fact that most people catch this virus during childhood, before they've ever had the chance to even think about snogging anyone, it's the only way to be sure.

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Old 21.04.2011, 11:17
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Now let's see - someone who has never ever had a herpes issue has a thing with someone who does. During and following the thing, the formerly "un-herpesed" person suddenly has recurring outbreaks. While correlation and causation are a bit controversial as a pair, it does look quite suspicious, no? I'd feel exactly the same way as JLP, having never had a cold sore in my life either. Ah and the farmacist I asked about it yesterday confirms that, yes, you can get it off a person and that eye herpes is pretty dangerous stuff, as in, you can lose the eye.

So hell yeah, I'd be pissed.
OK but let's do the math. How many people have you snogged, ever - and let's not forget mummies and grannies and sweet old neighbor ladies who kissed you when you were a toddler either. (Most people pick it up in early childhood.) Kissing isn't the only way to catch it of course but let's keep it simple and conservative.

Say 15? That's probably a conservative estimate for most adults.

What are the odds that none of them had HSV1? Assume a 65% infection rate (a very low-end figure, the usual estimate is more like 80-90%) - then the odds of any individual person who's kissed you being a non-carrier are 35%, and the odds that all fifteen of them were non-carriers are (0.35)^15 - roughly one in seven million.

FWIW both primary and recurrent infection are often unsymptomatic, i.e. you can catch the virus without ever having a cold sore, and equally you can pass it on to someone without ever having a cold sore. So "I've never had a cold sore" is at best circumstantial evidence that you may not have HSV1. On the other side the statistics suggest that you almost certainly have been exposed to it - nearly everyone has - so maybe you've got it already and don't know. Maybe you haven't. If you haven't, it's either some pretty significant germophobia dating clear back to infancy, or sheer dumb luck.

Just one of those things, unfortunately.

Look at it this way: if you caught a cold and developed pneumonia as a result, you wouldn't be mad at the person you caught it from (even if you could figure out who that was, which you probably couldn't with any degree of certainty. Ditto HSV1.) That's because we accept the common cold as "just one of those things". Colds exist, they spread, we can try to take precautions but in the end it doesn't matter much, almost everybody gets one sooner or later. Fortunately they're usually mild, although can occasionally have nasty complications. (Again, ditto HSV1.)

So we can all go around with signboards proclaiming our potential infectivity - or we can be sensible, try to minimize risk whenever we know we are contagious (wash your hands, don't rub your eyes, treat active cold sores as sores, not another species of zits) and accept that since we can't always know who is contagious or when, sometimes our best just isn't enough.
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Old 21.04.2011, 11:20
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Re: Herpes Simplex Eye Disease

Another tit bit of information about HSV1 and HSV2.

HSV1 can be transmitted to genitalia through oral sex. This typically results in a single outbreak which doesn't reappear again.

It is very rare to get HSV2 in anywhere apart from the genitalia.
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And spreading it to yourself is a real possibility- you touch or pick at a cold sore and then go take a whizz or rub you eye without washing hands and blammo.
Yep. Even that is not required though. Oral and ocular HSV1 infections both go on to establish latency in the same part of your nervous system (the trigeminal ganglion) so if you've had it one place, you can get it the other, even without any external re-infection.
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Old 21.04.2011, 11:20
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OK but let's do the math.... sometimes our best just isn't enough.
C'mon Mathnut that just makes too much sense- how are we supposed to be indignant now ?
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Old 21.04.2011, 11:23
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Re: Herpes Simplex Eye Disease

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Why?

Most people in the world carry this virus. If people are supposed to disclose that they sometimes get cold sores to each new person they kiss, are they also supposed to also disclose that they use public transport, touch door handles and go to the lavatory?

Shall we fill out a check list of all the nasties we may or not be carrying before having any physical contact with anyone else?

Or shall we just accept that catching the cold sore virus is just one of those things that happens in life, and that trying to pin the blame on one person or one snog is just daft?

If the other person had no knowledge of having it, I'd be royally pissed at life in general.

If the person knew and didn't say anything especially since it affected my EYES I'd be angry with them and with life in general. I think for me, it would be pretty tough to NOT be angry with them at the stage where JLP is, particularly considering there has already been vision loss. I do not wish to scare her but from what I've observed, corneal transplant does not mean "good as gold" after, there frequently are some visual impairments, even with a "new" cornea, so yes, I'm pretty positive I'd be royally pissed.


Of course, I do see the reality of life and as time went on, I'd be less angry and more resigned to fate, at least between flare-ups.

I think it's "easy" for those who have genital herpes or who have mouth sores to be fairly resigned / complacent as although it is somewhere in the scale of an irritation mainly, for them, it does not (in immediate threat) mean potential loss of an eye. I think for me, it would be pretty tough to NOT be angry with them at the stage where JLP is, particularly considering there has already been vision loss.


Since you can transmit it to other areas yourself, it gives some strength to the warning "Don't play with that, you'll put your eye out!" (Don't pick at the sores, make sure you wash your hands after "rubbing one out" before you touch ANYTHING else, etc etc.)
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Well Kittster the thing is that not many people are aware of it as it is a sort of "invisible" disease until you get an Herpes Zoster attack
And you can pass it on before the zoster turns up. So unless you avoid kissing entirely, the chances are you'll pass it on to any long term partner.
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So unless you avoid kissing entirely, the chances are you'll pass it on to any long term partner.
or any partner for that matter...
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Long term increases the risk from "possible" to "almost inevitable".
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Re: Herpes Simplex Eye Disease

So, there we are, then: Don't kiss and you might not get the cold sore virus.

Kiss, and it's only a matter of time.

Glad we got that settled.

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I've got pneumonia. There was a man sneezing near me on the train last Wednesday. I'm going to track him down, make him pay all my doctors' bills and expose him on the EF!
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Re: Herpes Simplex Eye Disease

Stupid question time. How does the infection appear in the eye? Cold sores are normally found around the mouth so does it take someone kissing you on the eye to get infected there or does the virus manage to get to the nerve endings in the eye by itself?
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Stupid question time. How does the infection appear in the eye? Cold sores are normally found around the mouth so does it take someone kissing you on the eye to get infected there or does the virus manage to get to the nerve endings in the eye by itself?
It travels through your nerves... lovely thought, isn't it?
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Re: Herpes Simplex Eye Disease

Thought that might be the case. So this is a potential outcome for all those that carry the virus.

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Thought that might be the case. So this is a potential outcome for all those that carry the virus.
Yes - it could happen to any one of us, except for that blessed minority who don't carry it (who don't actually know who they are, as being asymptomatic does not guarantee that one doesn't carry it somewhere deep inside one's nervous system).

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I truly do not see this the same as getting herpes.

Random germs from a random stranger in a public place in which people are in close confinement AND is high-traffic is one thing, something that requires "intimate" (not meaning sexual but more than a casual brush) skin-to-skin contact is something else.
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I truly do not see this the same as getting herpes.

Random germs from a random stranger in a public place in which people are in close confinement AND is high-traffic is one thing, something that requires "intimate" (not meaning sexual but more than a casual brush) skin-to-skin contact is something else.
Yeah, but as MathNut has observed, during his/her life any normal person has intimate contact with several people, almost all of whom carry the virus.

It is remarkable that anyone should not catch it, not that someone does.

What's the point of being 'royally pissed' at the inevitable?

It is unfortunate that the virus has manifested itself in such a painful manner, but to get angry at just catching the virus in the first place is a bit daft, quite honestly.
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J-L.P I know this won;t help much but most of us got HV1 when children :S, and most everyone has it (Worldwide rates of HSV infection are between 65% and 90% see here)
THe problem is when we get a cold or our immune defenses are low, then HSV1 is reactivated causing herpes zoster and that is the painful part.

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Thanks for that Angela. I read up more on it and just to rein in some of the mass hysteria, there are TWO strains of the herpes simplex virus:

a. Type 1 - HSV 1: This is usually associated with infections of the lips, mouth, and face. It is the most common herpes simplex virus and many people develop it in childhood. By adulthood, 30 - 90% of people will have antibodies to HSV-1.

b. Type 2 - HSV 2: this is the scary one which is an STD. Symptoms include genital ulcers or sores

So I guess the conclusion is that, unless its Type 2, people with the HSV1 virus might not even know that they are carriers. They might have gotten it from someone else, or they might fall into the category of the 10% who have not been able to develop the appropriate antibodies, going into adulthood. My explaination might not be as sophisticated as Mathnut's but I dont think that there is a need to be that indignant.
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