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the mass hysteria
I wouldn't call it mass hysteria.

It seems pretty tightly focused to me...
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Old 21.04.2011, 12:42
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I truly do not see this the same as getting herpes.

Random germs from a random stranger in a public place in which people are in close confinement AND is high-traffic is one thing, something that requires "intimate" (not meaning sexual but more than a casual brush) skin-to-skin contact is something else.
You're right, it's not the same. If you got pneumonia, once you knew the cause of infection (specific virus/bacterium) and its incubation period, you'd be able to figure out roughly when you must have gotten it - when, at least, although not from whom as it's so easily spread.

If you get a cold sore, or an HSV1 eye infection, even if you've never had one before, you have no idea how long the virus has been in your system already. The normal pattern is infection in early childhood (may or may not be accompanied by symptoms - and the 'symptoms' can also be something as vague as a mild fever or an odd rash that disappears in a few days, so often goes undiagnosed) followed by recurrences (may or may not be accompanied by symptoms*) throughout the infected person's life.

That's why in spite of the skin-to-skin contact requirement, it's near impossible to determine the source of an HSV1 infection. Unless you've actually been tested seronegative for HSV1 and then later tested seropositive, there is no way you can figure out when you picked it up. Not even roughly.




*The average person with orofacial HSV1 is 'shedding' (i.e. contagious) an estimated 6%-30% of the time. Compare that to the frequency with which an infected person (i.e. most any of us) actually gets cold sores - you can see there is a LOT of asymptomatic shedding going on.
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Old 21.04.2011, 12:46
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So I guess the conclusion is that, unless its Type 2, people with the HSV1 virus might not even know that they are carriers. They might have gotten it from someone else, or they might fall into the category of the 10% who have not been able to develop the appropriate antibodies, going into adulthood. My explaination might not be as sophisticated as Mathnut's but I dont think that there is a need to be that indignant.

Actually, even the folks with Type 2 could carry (and spread) it without ever showing symptoms themselves.



DB - I understand that I'm one of the lucky few and that chances are, my luck in this vein won't necessarily carry all the way to my death bed, I really do not think I'm "hysterical" about this at all. I think my view is realistic and understandable...

IF someone knew they were infected (particularly if they were even somehow exhibiting symptoms at the time, even if I couldn't see them myself), I would be upset at them for putting me at risk. I am sure I am not the only one who thinks and feels this way.
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Re: Herpes Simplex Eye Disease

So as herpes is pretty much a virus that most people have or have come into contact with how can a person pinpoint the exact person who they caught it off unless the person they were smooching with had a visible cold sore? And if it was visible then why kiss them?

If kissing ANYONE with this virus means you catch it whether there is a cold ore or not then I aint kissing anymore people 3 times whenever I great them

Really sorry to hear about your eye JLP - I have seen first hand how a nasty disease similar has affected someones eye etc... painful and not nice but I still can't understand how you know exactly who you caught it off - do you great people with 3 kisses?
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IF someone knew they were infected (particularly if they were even somehow exhibiting symptoms at the time, even if I couldn't see them myself), I would be upset at them for putting me at risk. I am sure I am not the only one who thinks and feels this way.
I'd advise you to cease any further physical contact with the world then - hand shakes, 3 kiss greetings, opening doors etc.. etc....
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I'd advise you to cease any further physical contact with the world then - hand shakes, 3 kiss greetings, opening doors etc.. etc....
I'm working on it



It amuses me that any sort of illness needs to be dealt with british stoicism, while punks on the street are free game to be rant about..
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Old 21.04.2011, 13:03
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Actually, even the folks with Type 2 could carry (and spread) it without ever showing symptoms themselves.

IF someone knew they were infected (particularly if they were even somehow exhibiting symptoms at the time, even if I couldn't see them myself), I would be upset at them for putting me at risk. I am sure I am not the only one who thinks and feels this way.

PegA, I am going to be lazy and refer you back to MathNut's comments in response to your statement. Point taken about being upset, but there really is no way to determine the exact point where/when you've gotten it:

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That's why in spite of the skin-to-skin contact requirement, it's near impossible to determine the source of an HSV1 infection. Unless you've actually been tested seronegative for HSV1 and then later tested seropositive, there is no way you can figure out when you picked it up. Not even roughly.
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Old 21.04.2011, 13:06
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DB - I understand that I'm one of the lucky few and that chances are, my luck in this vein won't necessarily carry all the way to my death bed, I really do not think I'm "hysterical" about this at all. I think my view is realistic and understandable...

IF someone knew they were infected (particularly if they were even somehow exhibiting symptoms at the time, even if I couldn't see them myself), I would be upset at them for putting me at risk. I am sure I am not the only one who thinks and feels this way.
Sorry Peg, but have you had a blood test for HSV1? How do you know you're not infected?

And that's my point. Short of blood tests, there is no way to know that you are not infected. If you are infected, there is no way to know that today isn't one of your contagious days.

Skin to skin contact is enough; it doesn't have to be cold-sore-to-skin or even bodily fluids. So short of requiring blood tests from everyone you ever touch (and then only touching people who are in that lucky 10-20% just like yourself...) there is no way to protect yourself against this; you gotta figure you'll get it eventually. (Again: if you haven't already.)

And if you accept that - then what difference does it make who you get it from (again: assuming you haven't already)? Since most of the people around you every day are infected, you are "at risk" just by living a normal human life.

It really is just one of those things. Nasty but what can you do?
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Old 21.04.2011, 13:08
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It amuses me that any sort of illness needs to be dealt with british stoicism, while punks on the street are free game to be rant about..
nothing to do with stoicism more to do with reality
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I also wonder if the responses would have been the same if some of the persons responding DIDN'T know exactly who and what we are talking about...
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I also wonder if the responses would have been the same if some of the persons responding DIDN'T know exactly who and what we are talking about...
I agree with the fact that you cannot point to a culprit : Post hoc ergo propter hoc.

What I don't agree with is the attitude .

"meh, that's just life." It is, but then again so is 90% on this forum.
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It amuses me that any sort of illness needs to be dealt with british stoicism, while punks on the street are free game to be rant about..
I wouldn't expect any kind of stoicism from anyone suffering from a horribly painful eye infection.

It's the 'royally pissed' nonsense that I object to, and the risible suggestion that the source of this virus should be, in some way, to blame for the agony.
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I also wonder if the responses would have been the same if some of the persons responding DIDN'T know exactly who and what we are talking about...
Ah, so scientific and mathematical fact is subject to personalities now, is it?

In your world, maybe.
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I also wonder if the responses would have been the same if some of the persons responding DIDN'T know exactly who and what we are talking about...
so this is aimed at a specific person on here? to name and shame? so JLP knows for sure exactly who gave her this? did the person tell her he/she had the condition and has she not been close to anyone since?

I think it's a sh!t situation to be in but I am baffled as to how you can know exactly who gave you it, i'm genuinely intrigued
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I also wonder if the responses would have been the same if some of the persons responding DIDN'T know exactly who and what we are talking about...
We are talking about J.L-P, right? J.L-P and the eye infection she has got. She thinks she knows where she got it, I think there's no way she can know.

Or have I lost the plot and we are talking about someone and something else completely?
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J.L-P and the eye infection she has got. She thinks she knows where she got it, I think there's no way she can know.

Or have I lost the plot and we are talking about someone and something else completely?
J.L-P has not made any indication of the person from whom she got the infection.

The plot turned gossipy somewhere in page 2 I think.
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I have this Herpes Simplex evilness in my bloodstream. It's rubbish. I've spoken to a lot of doctors about it. Herpes Simplex 1 and 2 are almost the same, and neither are exclusively genital or non-genital - you can catch em both up top, or "down there". Anyway, they come up as a cold sore now and then. I used to pop some Zovirax on and wait a few days and that was that. Until last time. 1 sore turned to 2 turned to 4 turned to 8 turned to secondary bacteriological infections, glandular infections, lung infection....I thought I was going to die, I'd never been ill before where day after day you get worse and not better. I have quite a high pain threshold and the pain was simply stunning, I got to the point where the lower half of my face was just wave upon wave of continuous pain.

Anyway the doctor prescribed me a carrier bag of pills and ointments, he said once the skin is open (a sore) everything gets let in. Fair enough. Anyway, he said he wouldn't bother with Zovirax or similar, he said the efficacy is only 1 day - this means you have the sore one day less on average with the cream. He prescribed me Acyclovir which are anti viral pills and they worked a charm. He told me he'd take them for any Herpes Simplex outbreak straight away and wouldn't bother with anything else.

Hope this experience helps someone on this thread.

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This is like some strange whodunnit i seem to have stumbled across. Im off out to play in the sunshine.

Wish you a quick recovery JLP and hope they can get it under control - life sucks sometimes
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What was supposed to be an informative thread has turned into yet another train wreck.
I'm off to watch my orchids grow. Happy easter folks.
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