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If some of you are concerned about the amount of sugar you and your family consume, and associated weight and health problems, there has been a lot of press recently about the dangers of consuming too much.

First links are to two New York Times articles about sugar.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/ma...ar-t.html?_r=1


http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com...ines&emc=thab1

The second link is to Dr. Mercola's website (he is very anti processed food etc.). The article is a good overview of the issue and where Fructose is found in our food.

If you have the 90 minutes, the university presentation about Fructose (especially High Fructose Corn Syrup and the blood/brain barrier) is very worthwhile (and to my mind scary). It might help explain a bit more to those who have weight problems.

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...gar-toxic.aspx
and, Verbs... you've forgotten the learned articles about sugar feeding cancer. Allez- hop, I'll add it for you http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0817184539.htm with the goal of global entertainment.

That said, I am rather in line with all the others; all within measure. I think the reason for such a number of articles and scares is simply that much of the processes foods overdose on sugar (and saturated fats, and salt) as a cheap taste alternative. Crowds are dumb, and accept to eat that...

If sugar remains limited to its actual normal use - a spoon here and there in coffee or tea, a cookie occasionally, a sunday cake..
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If you spend as much time working on bike engines as I do, you always ingest some.

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So, how much is in:

Beer
Red wine
Espresso liscio (i.e. no sugar)
Vodka
Grappa
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Plain Yogurt
You mean Breakfast?
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If you spend as much time working on bike engines as I do, you always ingest some.
Sugar is a good hand de-greaser, after a bit of spannering:

- sprinkle a good amount on one hand and then rub both hands together - the abrasive action gets ground-in oil off the skin, but may need repeating, for heavily soiled paws.
Remember to rinse with soap and warm water at the end, and don't lick fingers.
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So, how much is in:

Beer
Red wine
Espresso liscio (i.e. no sugar)
Vodka
Grappa
Whisky
Plain Yogurt
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You mean Breakfast?
All that for breakfast? ..... isn't it too sweet?
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Re: Is Sugar toxic ?

Sugar, or carbs in general, is needed for brain fuel. I would worry more about hidden sugars people do not realize they are loading up on, like coke/pop in general/your usual starbux crap. I think we are pretty safe in here, where people move a lot, processed food is too expensive and corny lates are affordable once a blue moon. I think artificial sweeteners in baby food is a lot more allarming than a few spoons of regularly sweetened apple sauce. I can eat sugar if it comes in some old school form, like....quark kueche, or sumfin
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All this talk of sugar is putting me in the mood to make a rhubarb pie this evening.

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All this talk of sugar is putting me in the mood to make a rhubarb pie this evening.

Tom
I know. I was thinking about making a proper quark kueche, but will make fresh Strawberry filled dumplings with quark, instead. So good with fat quark one gets here, good Swiss butter and cream over top. It's traditional, maybe toxic but so heavenly, even our Italian neighbors loved this stuff that looks like weird fruit filled gnoccis to them.

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I know. I was thinking about making a proper quark kueche, but will make fresh Strawberry filled dumplings with quark, instead. So good with fat quark one gets here, good Swiss butter and cream over top. It's traditional, maybe toxic but so heavenly, even our Italian neighbors loved this stuff that looks like weird fruit filled gnoccis to them.

They do look heavenly - enjoy!

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If some of you are concerned about the amount of sugar you and your family consume, and associated weight and health problems, there has been a lot of press recently about the dangers of consuming too much.
I firmly agree with the posters who have said "everything in moderation". I eat whatever I fancy and would never deny myself a treat but I don't over-do it.

I do not intend to be lying on my deathbed aged 112, having lived a life on a restricted diet.

Where's the fun in that?

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If sugar remains limited to its actual normal use - a spoon here and there in coffee or tea, a cookie occasionally, a sunday cake..
A few kilos of chocolate...
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A few kilos of chocolate...
There's no - or very little - calorific value from sugars in "real" cocoa/chocolate
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If some of you are concerned about the amount of sugar you and your family consume...
If - then statement guys.. I assume that IF you are reading this, THEN you are interested..

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As I said, just playing devil's advocate - agree that people can make up their own minds, I'm just presenting the other side of the coin.
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The challenge with sugar and HFCS is that 99% of people have NO IDEA of how much they are consuming per day.
AND its in most of the "prepared" foods that we buy at the supermarkets.
Reading through my fridge (as one does) its in:
  • the salad sauce
  • The tomato sauce (sugar AND non specific sweetener)
  • the pesto sauce
  • the margarine(!)
  • the salami(!)
  • the La Vache Qui Rit cheese squares(!)
(i'm getting bored now..)
And that is on top of the things we know about - like the juices & chocolate.


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They do if you live in a country with proper food labeling requirements.
and know a bit of Latin and about E numbers..


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Sugar, or carbs in general, is needed for brain fuel. I would worry more about hidden sugars people do not realize they are loading up on, like coke/pop in general/your usual starbux crap. I think we are pretty safe in here, where people move a lot, processed food is too expensive and corny lates are affordable once a blue moon. I think artificial sweeteners in baby food is a lot more allarming than a few spoons of regularly sweetened apple sauce. I can eat sugar if it comes in some old school form, like....quark kueche, or sumfin
what she said.

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There's no - or very little - calorific value from sugars in "real" cocoa/chocolate
I like to take my sugar in the purest form too..
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AND its in most of the "prepared" foods that we buy at the supermarkets.
AND it has been since it first began to be used in the 1960's. AND there still remains nothing to suggest that added sugar is worse for you in HFCS form than in any other form. So the thread essentially serves as a warning to not have too much sugar, which to be fair I think most people already knew - the rest is non-scientifically based scaremongering in my opinion, hence why I posted some actual research and not over dramatised e-search.

STOP PRESS: Smoking, drinking and eating McDonalds for every meal is bad for your health...
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eating McDonalds for every meal is bad for your health...
What if I have vodka and cocopops for breakfast?
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What if I have vodka and cocopops for breakfast?
I don't know. How do you feel?
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AND it has been since it first began to be used in the 1960's. .......
So the thread essentially serves as a warning to not have too much sugar, which to be fair I think most people already knew .....
STOP PRESS: Smoking, drinking and eating McDonalds for every meal is bad for your health...
Hang on a sec while i make the kids thick slices of white (Holzerbrot) bread dripping in garlic butter for lunch...

I take kids gym classes. We had a huge performance at the end of last year, where the 5 year olds were with us all day, for 2 days - the parents provided drinks, we provided food.

Only 1 kid had 3 bottles of soft drink to last him the day = 600 calories with 210 mg of salt, 170g of sugar for a 1m tall 5 year old.
He is a little rounder than the rest.

My friend runs "sports courses" with nutritional advice, for overweight teens - here in Switzerland - he does call fizzy drinks/soda toxic.

I think you give your readers more credit than they may be due..

But then, to know and to understand are two different things.
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Re: Is Sugar toxic ?

well oh well, I've just put on 5 pounds just reading through this topic , and I am feeling exceptionally healthy - no sodas here, no prepped salad sauce (what's wrong with olive oil, hum?), no cheetos, cheezits, no velveeta in my fridge. Or am I missing something?

and if chocolate is bad for me, heck. We all have to die of SOMETHING.
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AND its in most of the "prepared" foods that we buy at the supermarkets.
Reading through my fridge (as one does) its in:
  • the salad sauce
  • The tomato sauce (sugar AND non specific sweetener)
  • the pesto sauce
  • the margarine(!)
  • the salami(!)
  • the La Vache Qui Rit cheese squares(!)
(i'm getting bored now..)
Other than salami and other processed meats (ham, sausage, etc.), which contain minimal sugar, just in the cure), I buy none of the things you have listed, sauces we always make from scratch, and never margarine, only butter or olive oil, and no processed cheese food.

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well oh well, I've just put on 5 pounds just reading through this topic , and I am feeling exceptionally healthy - no sodas here, no prepped salad sauce (what's wrong with olive oil, hum?), no cheetos, cheezits, no velveeta in my fridge. Or am I missing something?
Have you soaked your beans and sprouted your shoots?

I agree. If we go completely no sugar/no process foods/no nutin, you end up running around, chasing bio, spending precious time and cash on food only, your life just has one focus, you constantly soak, sprout or shop for some new healthfood store miracle. When I was vegan and ate absolutely nothing evil, A - I put on weight since food was heavy, the pulses, ugh, oils to make it tastier, B - it wasn't cheap at all, C - I was constantly figuring out some special spices to make it palatable, D - life was not about anything else, since you have to spend effort to get your vits and minerals. One moves on quickly, to a tad less ascetic life, little bit of sugar does not kill anyone, me thinks.

Moderation is great, some raw fruitarianism, fresh veggies, granola bar for the nice crunchiness, some grapefruit juice sweetened halva for a sweet tooth, some fun greens and some meat, some deserts to enjoy life, some wine and coffee liquers (ok, I like those, hahaha). If one moves enough, you can basically eat all you want and your metabolism sorts things out.
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