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Re: Writing a dispute to the School board - placement of Primary school

Before you write, I suggest you arrange a visit to the school. In my experience, a teacher can make a huge difference. Why not talk to the teacher and find out first hand what this experience might be like for your daughter. Then if you feel it is not a good fit, by all means complain. It also might be worth asking if any of your daughter's friends will be going to this school as well. It may be that after talking to the teacher she will also feel that it is not the right environment for your daughter and then you will have someone on your side.
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Just a thought: perhaps, with your daughters specific fears and insecurities, the tiny school might be better for her? Also, have you thought of getting her counselling?
No I havent, maybe I should........I did consider that, its the distance that she has to journey to get there, the walk to the town centre, then the bus ride, more over the area is completely foreign to her, we have only been there once or twice hiking

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Pather, do you work? The reason might be if you don't, they might be counting on you driving her to school. I have met people, who's stereotype of foreign mom was the one with cash, housewife with ton of free time and a large SUV to drive her kiddo to school. I would definitely point out all the reasons, be super matter of fact, and repeat integration, kid having important bonds which is about to change, etc. Another thing is, they might think she does not speak German, the other school might have a special program to suit foreign kids better, tutoring, extra staff, etc. I'd be persistent, mention your family being equal part of local community, and be ready to prove it, list the bonds, friendships, her friends helping her be part of the community,etc. But, most of all, be super nice. Not a trace of frustration or sarcasm.
I dont work - that profile is almost me, minus the SUV and tons of cash - She does speak German, she is also a part of the additional German classes which they provide for bi-lingual kids. No, not much extra staff, 1 teacher, and 1 music teacher, from what i read on the website, no special programs too. They have to journey back into the town for Swimming
Dont worry I will persist......

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Before you write, I suggest you arrange a visit to the school. In my experience, a teacher can make a huge difference. Why not talk to the teacher and find out first hand what this experience might be like for your daughter. Then if you feel it is not a good fit, by all means complain. It also might be worth asking if any of your daughter's friends will be going to this school as well. It may be that after talking to the teacher she will also feel that it is not the right environment for your daughter and then you will have someone on your side.
Yes, I know a teacher can make or break a child school career. Could you imagine, if I get the school changed and she is then laden with a crappy teacher.

I want to wait until the School Board replies to our dispute, if they still persist, I will setup a visit to the school.

This morning I called a few Moms, all the kids from her class, along and adjacent to our street are placed in the schools in the town.

I am hoping that this has been all a big mistake, hoping!!

One of the Moms, said that she had a similiar problem with the placement of her child in Kindergarten, and only after she personally voiced her opinion did they change the placement.

What does not make much sense is that this is a so-called Day school, the children can stay all day - lunch included. On the Admittance form, we could suggest which type of school we would like her to attend, in our town, there are 3 different types of schooling.
We did not write Day school.

Hey, thanks all,
I've worked out quite a bit of the frustration this morning, (thanks to the EF) yeah, one step at a time, I will keep the thread updated.
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Re: Writing a dispute to the School board - placement of Primary school

Sometimes, people on the school board are not the brightest lightbulbs in town. Mistakes and assumptions happen.

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Sometimes, people on the *insert any place* are not the brightest lightbulbs in town. Mistakes and assumptions happen.

Good luck.
Indeed, good luck. But we should not make assumptions here either.
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Re: Writing a dispute to the School board - placement of Primary school

As promised, an update,

Yesterday, we received a letter from the School Board, placing my daughter in one of the schools nearer to our home(700m) *yay*

thanks for all your tips, in our letter, we stipulated reasons for the dispute as,
-the distance and traveling to the school;
-lack of friends - she is the only child from her class and area that is placed in the school;
-her character and health;
-the added projects that are offered at the 2 schools in our town, opposed to the school that she was placed in.

Personally, I do not know what the school board was up to this year, following the placements, the entire town was upset! at least 8 kids will be ferried to a kindergarten on the other side of town
After some research, I established that 1 child from each kindergarten in our town was placed in this school, each child lives more than a kilometer from each other. They would have to walk to the Gemindeplatz and take the school bus, and would be then dropped off there at lunch time, and when they had to go back to be picked up again from the town square.

We are relieved, and can have a relaxing weekend! (not that we can go anywhere, the kids have chicken pox)
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Personally, I do not know what the school board was up to this year, following the placements, the entire town was upset! at least 8 kids will be ferried to a kindergarten on the other side of town
After some research, I established that 1 child from each kindergarten in our town was placed in this school, each child lives more than a kilometer from each other. They would have to walk to the Gemindeplatz and take the school bus, and would be then dropped off there at lunch time, and when they had to go back to be picked up again from the town square.

We are relieved, and can have a relaxing weekend! (not that we can go anywhere, the kids have chicken pox)
Looks like they let the trainees loose on the school placement file!

Happy you got your preferred outcome.
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Re: Writing a dispute to the School board - placement of Primary school

Here they used to try and get a proper 'mix' in the various classes. So depending on sex, mother tongue, religion and goodness knows what else, the children were not always sent to the same school as the child next door.
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Re: Writing a dispute to the School board - placement of Primary school

That's great news, you must be very relieved. Always nice to get updates on these stories.

In our village, in previous years they have sometimes had to bus kids out to the next village due to overcrowding. They did it by taking a certain district, and declaring that 'next year, these 10 children in those 4 apartment blocks will be going to X school, and the bus will pick them up on their street'.

At least that way they're all with their immediate neighbours and go as a group, so not too bad.
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That's great news, you must be very relieved. Always nice to get updates on these stories.

In our village, in previous years they have sometimes had to bus kids out to the next village due to overcrowding. They did it by taking a certain district, and declaring that 'next year, these 10 children in those 4 apartment blocks will be going to X school, and the bus will pick them up on their street'.

At least that way they're all with their immediate neighbours and go as a group, so not too bad.
To be quite honest, if this was offered, I wouldnt have really minded that she was placed out in the farms. I also thought that if they wanted to keep this school open ( which is the reason for these placements) it would be better if the 5 kids from our street was placed there, at least the mothers could organise themselves, and the children wouldnt be so alienated out there.
Though, the kids going to this school house, had to go to the neighbouring primary school for, Handwork, Sport, swimming, and religious studies. That is 3 times a week, ans swimming, I'm not too sure how often it is.
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Re: Writing a dispute to the School board - placement of Primary school

Yes, sometimes decisions are made because of keeping classes and/or schools and jobs open. A class needs a certain amount of pupils to be allowed to keep going. My son also had to go to the school in the next village because there was 1 child too few for the first year class in the neighbouring village.
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I know Swiss authorities, and how stubborn, and inhumane they can be. Rule are rules, and your kid can adapt, at whoevers expense, they dont give a sh*t as long as its not theirs!
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As promised, an update,

Yesterday, we received a letter from the School Board, placing my daughter in one of the schools nearer to our home(700m) *yay*
So much for those inhumane Swiss people.

Congrats on successfully appealing the original decision! I'm sure your child will be happier there and if not at least you'll have the confidence to deal with the authorities as people and not ogres. And you've given others hope for the same.
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So much for those inhumane Swiss people.

Congrats on successfully appealing the original decision! I'm sure your child will be happier there and if not at least you'll have the confidence to deal with the authorities as people and not ogres. And you've given others hope for the same.

Of course you cannot realise that the first post was written by a shocked and distraught me, hence the tendency to be negative.
but you on the other hand would not have this problem,as I am sure you are always in control and positively positive.

I had experience with the Swiss school board before, and they are not always helpful and understanding. Who knows, maybe it makes a difference that now I'm a Swiss citizen, and before I wasnt, though that would be an assumption, and we shouldnt be making assumptions here on the EF.
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Of course you cannot realise that the first post was written by a shocked and distraught me, hence the tendency to be negative.
but you on the other hand would not have this problem,as I am sure you are always in control and positively positive.
I never said nor implied any such thing.

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I had experience with the Swiss school board before, and they are not always helpful and understanding. Who knows, maybe it makes a difference that now I'm a Swiss citizen, and before I wasnt, though that would be an assumption, and we shouldnt be making assumptions here on the EF.
Well, I'm glad that everything has worked out for you now.
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Re: Writing a dispute to the School board - placement of Primary school

Its a tricky thing disputing decisions made by the school, but i think if your child is really not happy its worth spaeking to the board, even it onl to show your child that they have your full support.

My son wanted to move up to another class, from year 1 to 2. I later found out that any progression to a higher class usually happens from Kindergarden to 1st class, as the gap in learning levels are not much different.

However, after a trip to the doctor for my sons' 6 year test, the doctor suggested he take an intellegence test with the school kinderpshycological service, then suggested we ask the school to move him up 1 year.

His class 1 teacher was against him going for the test, and the school phsycologist said he did not want to do it if the teacher din't like it, but would not give valid reasons, so we followed advice from the doctor and willingness of our son and arranged for 5 hours of tests to be carried out. Reasuringly our son enjoyed it.

The test showed him to be well above his age average, and our son pushed us to speak to the teachers, as he wished to do a trial period in the higher class.
He even took a sample book of the required style of joined up writing, which he practiced on holiday to prepare for the trial in the higher class.

He was already on a gifted programme while in the 1st class, but after some time became bored with doing games and puzzles in the class. His class teacher, thought he was too young to go move to the higher class, although she agreed that he would probably be able to do the work at the higher level, so continued to appose any advancement.

The school kinder pshycologist simply said although he tested very high, it was best that we agree with whatever the teacher wishes. We decided to go with our son, who pleaded to be just given a chance.

His class teacher was not happy so sent us a mail asking us to tell our son about having to work through his holidays, that he will probably be worst in the class, that the class will be doing joined up writing... Etc. She then spoke to him at school telling him he will be taken away from friends on the gifted programme if he did the "Schnüper woche" (the 2 week trial weeks), this
distressed him, but he was undeterred, and we asked her not to continue telling him these negative things.

The first few days of the trial week he was put into an exam, without being
told about it, or notifying us, so was upset as he had no opportunity to prepare, then the second week he did another test where he scored higher than the rest of his class.

After the trial his first year teacher chaired the decision meeting, again stressing that she does not want him moving, then the 2nd year teacher gave a report that generally our son did o.k, but would have too much to catch up on, he should have more time to play, he asked too many questions and did not always put his slippers correctly in its place so was not mature enough.
She said everything would need to be perfect for him to move, she was not prepared to give him extra support. I asked about support which would normally be given to a new child, but she dismissed it as irrellevant.

My son is very upset and feels he will now go back to boring repetitive work etc. He wanted to speak with the teachers again and asked us to fight more for him, but we feel helpless. I spoke to the head mistress about it, but she
passed me back to the class teacher to deal with things as she wished. Without the school support What can we do?

My husband and i are now thinking of moving our son to a private school
before he looses his motivation to learn and becomes naughty through frustration. What do you think? Is this too drastic? Any ideas?
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I had experience with the Swiss school board before, and they are not always helpful and understanding. Who knows, maybe it makes a difference that now I'm a Swiss citizen, and before I wasnt, though that would be an assumption, and we shouldnt be making assumptions here on the EF.
Based on my experience with the Swiss School Board where I lived and the related experiences of others, I think that you will find that the knowledge that you can vote makes a huge difference.

I am glad that it worked out for you. For us dealing with the local and cantonal school boards were painful, sloppy and somewhat destructive, not to mention expensive (for the canton as well as us).
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Its a tricky thing disputing decisions made by the school, but i think if your child is really not happy its worth spaeking to the board, even it onl to show your child that they have your full support.

My son wanted to move up to another class, from year 1 to 2. I later found out that any progression to a higher class usually happens from Kindergarden to 1st class, as the gap in learning levels are not much different.

My son is very upset and feels he will now go back to boring repetitive work etc. He wanted to speak with the teachers again and asked us to fight more for him, but we feel helpless. I spoke to the head mistress about it, but she
passed me back to the class teacher to deal with things as she wished. Without the school support What can we do?

My husband and i are now thinking of moving our son to a private school
before he looses his motivation to learn and becomes naughty through frustration. What do you think? Is this too drastic? Any ideas?
Wow, I have never heard of a 6year old that is so motivated to study!
If the teacher does not support you, it can really get difficult here.
I guess if you can afford Private Schooling, why not, I have not heard anything but good reports from Private schools.
The Swiss, do not like to push their kids, and always place emphasis on being a child, which is not entirely a bad thing. When I was young, every year there some kid that tried to or succeeded to commit suicide because of a bad report card.

I used to attend a Mother and Child English playgroup in Uster, and I realised that the mothers were teaching their 2-3 year old kids phonetics, and the alphabet. I then spoke to an Educator, and she told me that until the age of 6, your kid should be able to achieve certain learning levels. If a 3year old can recite the alphabet, great! But she doesnt understand it, not will be able to grasp the concept of words, reading ect not for another year.
The Swiss believe all in good time.
I've often heard that teachers say that it is better to achieve good marks in Highschool Sec B( a lower level) than achieve low marks in Sec A (highest highschool level). Which is something I dont understand, they wont even give the kid a chance to try to achieve better results in Sec A

Havent you noticed the lack of Tutors that are available for kids?? That speaks volumes on its own. I asked my daughter's teacher repeatedly if she would need extra tutoring in German, and they always said no. Eventually I hired a Swiss teenager (from SecA) to babysit every week, and her German improved vastly.

Maybe you should speak to Pedagogy Teacher, for a second opinion. Or you could stimulated him, by maybe introducing him to a new language, or a musical instrument? Or would it be possible for him to go from the 2nd class to the 4th?
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Much to our shock, dissapointment, eventual anger, she has been place in a tiny school, 2.8km from our home. The 'school' has 1 class, 1 class consisting of 1-3 Grades, mixed.
..is this even legal?!
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Nope, welcome to the countryside. Perfectly common in many countries in any area where there are insufficient kids for a single year class. I remember having this myself for one year in the UK before my parents moved to a larger town, still perfectly common for younger kids now.

Secondary school is usually different, however.
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Secondary school is usually different, however.
Hey, I'm not in the countryside, the countryside is up the road!!

we have a Manor, Coop Superstore, Jumbo, Vogele, Aldi, CNA, Denner.......

These type of schools are in the towns, which are between bigger towns, you know the type, if you blink whilst driving through, you have missed it!! Okay, you have point, its 3kms from my place, and i am pretty much near the center........nooooo, its not quite countryside.
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