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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

It made me really aggressive when I was told to supplement BM with other stuff; the stuff has been good enough for years so why should it be inferior now where our diets lack nothing. Also, if you check out some of the herbal teas, you find that they are actually not suitable for little ones at all.
If your baby's super gassy, try rubbing his tummy or have a look at what you're eating and what might be producing extra gassiness (I know for me one very big culprit was raw veggies for instance)
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

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I had the same dilemma with my daughter who is now 3.5 months old. From about 6 weeks old, every day around the same time in the evening she would start crying for no reason. I have done a lot of research on this. I don't think she could be considered "colic" as she would usually settle in half an hour to one hour. What we did was the following:

1. Carry her in colic hold, which means she is lying face down on your arm. But really carry her as in walk round the apartment with her, talking to her in a soothing voice at the same time.

2. White noise. Someone told us to hold a hair-dryer to baby's stomach (from a safe distance) and it really works !!! One thing though, it is really the sound from the dryer. So we searched Youtube for hair dryer sound and turned it on every time she started crying for no reason. when she was around 3 months old she was settling in about 5-10 minutes. The first few times she would even fall asleep with the hair dryer turned on.

Now since last week, she has completely stopped crying and is a much happier baby. Here is what I have found from the experience:

People told us that the baby cries because of gas and we should give her fennel tee as it helps relieve the gas. I agree that gas might be a trigger but I don't think it really is gas, otherwise she wouldn't stop crying when she heard the white noise. I believe that some babies just can't handle the same problems that other babies can cope with. Maybe she was having some gas pain and getting really upset about it as she didn't know what to do about it. I didn't want to give her fennel tea either because she was fed on expressed breast milk and formula and she wasn't a good drinker at all and giving 50ml of tea would fill her up and leave less space for milk. Her doctor said when we prepare formula, we can dip the tea bags into the boiled water and then mix the powder. At a point of crisis I gave in and tried. I even gave her plain fennel tea because my mother-in-law was adamant it would work and she made me feel I was letting my baby suffer through my obstinacy. Guess what? It made no difference.

As I said try white noise. Apparently it reminds them of the sounds they heard when in mother's womb and soothes them. And don't worry it is just a phase and they will grow out of it. Just be patient.
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

My grand-daughter, at about 6 weeks old, was a niggly irritated baby and our German neighbor told the mother about Fennel tea. It worked well with baby ..... she`d fall asleep, and be peaceful and happy for hours.

When she went onto formula milk she was inclined to be constipated ... adding a bit of honey to the fennel water helped with that.

The popular Gripe Water we used to dip dummies into is composed of Fennel (taste it, same flavour).

As others here have said, if baby doesn`t like it baby won`t drink it. But Fennel is a herb used for flatulence, in babies and adults.
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Another thing I tried was cut down on certain foods:

-No broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage
-No chocolate
-Stopped tee/coffee, drank only occasionally. Drank stilltee instead.
-No chick peas, beans

Apparently whatever causes gas in you can cause gas in them, so although I think gas is only part of the problem, I did everything to minimize disturbances. Babies are born with an immature digestive system and they need time to adapt to their new environment. 6 more weeks and you will be fine.

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When she went onto formula milk she was inclined to be constipated ... adding a bit of honey to the fennel water helped with that.
Experts say that honey is not recommended for infants as "Honey can contain spores of a bacterium called Clostridium botulinum, which can germinate in a baby's immature digestive system and cause infant botulism, a rare but potentially fatal illness."

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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

The hospital informed me that drinking fennel tea - moms, not babies - does support the production of milk and reduce gas. As I really liked it I drank the one from Migros (quite inexpensive), Sidroga and Weleda (which I also received at hospital.

BM is sufficient for little ones. Plus a "normal" tea for grown ups is also too strong for a 6weeks old, e.g. one tea bag in approx 3dl of water.

During the hospital stay the nurses told me to only put it in hot water for some minutes and put about 3 spoonfuls into the milk (pumped or formula).

If your little one drinks too much, it dilutes the nutritions from breast milk.

This is what I was told, in the end instinct prevails. I only gave the milk & tea mixture when it was really, really hot in summer as little one did not take the hot weather quite easy.

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Yes, honey is a complete no go.


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Experts say that honey is not recommended for infants as "Honey can contain spores of a bacterium called Clostridium botulinum, which can germinate in a baby's immature digestive system and cause infant botulism, a rare but potentially fatal illness."

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2. White noise. Someone told us to hold a hair-dryer to baby's stomach (from a safe distance) and it really works !!!
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Yes, honey is a complete no go.
I can quite agree with that sentiment .... in these days!

Honey used to be pure, and healthy, now even the bees are dying!

And there were not so many "experts" giving advice......
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

Yes, time and concepts change so fast.

I personally think little ones are quite sturdy and tough and not much can make them really sick or create a harm.

But as newbie-moms you always listen to so many "educated" persons and staff. I was also like this with the first born, the second one had a rather relaxed first few months.



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I can quite agree with that sentiment .... in these days!

Honey used to be pure, and healthy, now even the bees are dying!

And there were not so many "experts" giving advice......
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And there were not so many "experts" giving advice......
I have only learned this when I was looking for information on solid foods to give the baby. Otherwise I had no idea. Someone even told me to put a little honey on the nipple to encourage my breast hating baby to drink from the breast.
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

I also got the fennel tea advice. It didn't do anything for my daughters colics. I used to mix mine (for myself) with some other teas flavours, like rosehip or fruit tea to hide the taste, but dont use peppermint as this causes BM to diminish.
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

I read something that dispelled the myth of colic - saying colic was just a collective term for fussy babies in the evening, I can't remember what book it was but it made a lot of sense. Strange that my baby only got 'colic' in the early evening, so why didn't he have wind during the day? I think its common for babies to have fussy periods in the evening especially breast fed as your milk production is lower in the early evening so it may be that they are hungry and needing to feed more.

I have also heard about making up formula with fennel tea works if you use formula

I had the most luck with infacol but I dont really think it made massive change, it's just a case of riding it out and when they get to the magic 3 month mark all changes and you are left with a new baby (hopefully in most cases!)

I also did lots of hoovering when little one was a newborn, worked a treat and i bought a little sound thing with white noise and womb sounds and I think it worked better than anything else
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I read something that dispelled the myth of colic - saying colic was just a collective term for fussy babies in the evening, I can't remember what book it was but it made a lot of sense. Strange that my baby only got 'colic' in the early evening, so why didn't he have wind during the day? I think its common for babies to have fussy periods in the evening especially breast fed as your milk production is lower in the early evening so it may be that they are hungry and needing to feed more.
"The evening scream" as we called it was apparently a new baby letting out the tension from the day's activities. Newborns can easily get overstimulated with just every-day stuff (visitors, sounds, traffic, TV, general activity, colours, the list is endless) and sometimes the only way they can dispel the tension is to let it out with a big crying/screaming session.

Our midwife said to just ride it out; let him cry and scream but cuddle and reassure him, preferably in a darkened, quiet room. They actually need to do this to settle themselves.

*my toes are curling just at the memory of it*
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

I am not sure why people fight colic so much, I also thought it is jut a generic term for whatever bugs babies or if they get so tired because parents drag them around and around, do chores and do not adjust the rhythm to the gentle cycle of wee babies, calm, peace and quiet, walks in a quiet neighborhood or parks, not a mall, I would scream too if I was a baby ...

We did have some digestion troubles, belly massaging worked, me drinking fennel tea and having pretty strict elimination diet and doubling my breast milk supply worked out a lot of troubles. I put my child in my arms and set on a giant gym ball, slowly rocked her for half hour, it did wonders, too. Some kids need routine, it calms them.

I wouldn't ever give a nursing 6wk old anything else to drink, you will most certainly affect your bm supply and latch. NO water, nuting. You drinking fennel should be enough, I found it soothing, it was a nice routine and kept me hydrated, too. It is actually super strong, so I would never give it to a 6wk old, people have all sorts of advice, they just happen to forget that their daughter in law gave this tea to their grandkid when he was 9mo old and not 6wks.

Stay away from Flatulex, though, it is full of Aluminum, which for such young stomach lining is a huge dose of heavy metal. It is primarily used for adults, but peds here seem to think it is a good idea to give this to newborns. A family member did research of baby absorption of heavy metals, and basically, all the damage in life is done if you absorb before you turn 1, so watch out for heavy metals before 1. We were told as well to give Flatulex (it works instantly so people and docs go for it), I pitched it after I read the content.

Colic is just a side effect of a system slowly trying adjust, slowly get guts used to work and acquire their own flora. To calm with with medicine means to prolong the process. The little bit of cry is heart breaking, I know, but passive exercising, distraction, rubbing usually speeds up the process, too. Gripe water worked for us, a little too much, so I gave it every 4 days a tiny amount and guts got alrite, the stuff didn't stop the intestines too much. I agree with elimination diet, oats, not much fresh bread, no pulses, no leaks, onions, beans. Ton of quark and oats, no mint and parsley.

I know a lot about nursing, struggled but succeeded for a few years, but honestly, the worst one can do for one's supply is supplement, with whatever, even a glass of water, or a little serving of formula after nursing.
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

Ya`know something?...We all fuss too much! I have a friend in South Africa who spent her first 48 hours after birth down a long-drop toilet till someone found and rescued her, and she grew into a big beautiful and healthy woman who now has three super kids of her own.

I agree with some of the advice above about gentle massage for babies .... their little bodies are used to gentle movement before birth .. and after birth they get to lie alone and still, no wonder they get colic after drinking or a while later.

Traditional black folk in SA used to carry their babies strapped to their back, all day, and their babies did not know what colic was!
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Ya`know something?...We all fuss too much! I have a friend in South Africa who spent her first 48 hours after birth down a long-drop toilet till someone found and rescued her, and she grew into a big beautiful and healthy woman who now has three super kids of her own.

I agree with some of the advice above about gentle massage for babies .... their little bodies are used to gentle movement before birth .. and after birth they get to lie alone and still, no wonder they get colic after drinking or a while later.

Traditional black folk in SA used to carry their babies strapped to their back, all day, and their babies did not know what colic was!

Well, I agree with you. If the kid is worn, and a lot moms these days do wear their babes, it is much better coz they move. Being stuck in a baby carriage is not much fun, but I'd prefer that than running around malls, busy streets and trams and all sorts of ugly industrial noise, waiting at post office, groceries line, or being rushed through traffic.

You made me think of drop boxes we have back home to unwanted babies that are put for adoption later.

Back to colic and babies gut adjustment...
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

grand'ma recipe that worked for our daughter when she had colic:

- identify colic: baby brings legs on tummy and push hard.

- treatment: rub sole of foot with mint alcohol.
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I am not sure why people fight colic so much,

The little bit of cry is heart breaking,
Of course I have no idea what you went through with your baby/ies. But I would with all due respect suggest it is possible that if you aren't sure why people fight colic so much and also call it a "little bit of crying" you haven't been through the hell on earth that is twins with colic.

My twins would cry every night and I do mean every night from age 1 day until they were almost 5 months. They would start at about 10pm and cry until around 4am - EVERY night. I also had an 18 month old so the old "sleep when you baby sleeps" line didn't work either.

When you get no sleep in the day because you are running after a toddler and dealing with new born twins, and you get no sleep at night because your babies are screaming all night - then you will know it is not just a "little bit" of crying and you will try every remedy known to man to try to fix it.

But sorry OP I personally found no solutions, and I did try them all - including fennel tea which did nothing. They finally just stopped on their own and boy did life improve after that!
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

If it tastes aweful for you to drink -why would you give it to your baby?

It is a constituent of gripe water formulated in the 1850's which is not now recommended in the UK as there is no evidence of effacy. We don't tend to give any other medication from that era.

There are old wives' tales from all countries especially from grandmothers who like to sound knowledgeable but are often out of date- most remedies have no grounding in research and are all based on unsubstantiated anacdotal stories. Look at those who advocate chinese medicines that have been found to be poisonous.

Breast feeding should be sufficient for such a young baby- you do not want to interfere with keeping that going because it is definitly the best nutritional start in life.

The advice already given on looking at your own diet is good.

Also those who say it will pass soon enough are right although I know it is agony during the time. I have been there. Good luck
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Re: Should I really give my infant fennel tea?

I guess all of the advice has already been given but do follow your insticts as mothers do know best. If this is your first and you are feeling overwhelmed and confused by all of the advice then ask a trusted friend for their input.

When I had my last baby the midwife brought me in some "tea" for the newborn in case he was hungry in the night. WTF?? With my other 3 children I NEVER had a hungry baby in the first couple of days until my milk came in. The colostrum that you produce in those first few days is all your baby needs.

When I questioned the Pediatrician about why I needed to give my newborn Vitamin D I was also told that it was due to the the fact that the sun in Switzerland wasn't strong. As I had a March baby I never thought it necessary to give him the drops due as Spring was just around the corner. However, if he had be born in Oct/Nov I may have considered it knowing how gloomy it can be over the winter months here.

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