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Is this normal? (creche & medicine)

You met your husband when you got off the train and he'd got son (18months) from crèche. He tells you that he was told that at lunch time munchkin had a fever so they gave him (husband's words) "a bomb up the bottom". Cue me looking shocked as I know my husband doesn't really like munchkin to have them and asked him if the crèche called him. No. Nor did they call me. When I asked how bad a fever, he said they didn't say, just told him a fever.

Now, I think this is totally unacceptable. I expect them to look after my child. I do not expect them to give him medication without even asking me and I expect details and I expect to be told immediately if they think he is ill. My husband (swiss) was a bit shocked at my reaction. Am I over-reacting? Is this normal here? I know that I never signed anything to say they could give him medicine and I remember being asked when he first started there and I specifically told them that I wasn't happy with the idea of them giving him medicine and they should call me immediately they thought he was ill. I'm planning to call tomorrow and try to get a meeting with the boss to air my views but would like to know where I stand.
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My son was given paracetamol when he was in nursery but they always called me before. It was more of a stop-gap to make him more comfortable when he was feeling crap with some bug or other.

Suppositories are the method of choice here and, whereas I was initially squeamish about them in my British way, my son's doctor told me they were pretty convenient because the dose is always constant plus they can't barf them back up again (unless they've got a runny bum, then you obviously don't use them).

Have a meeting with the boss but give them the benefit of the doubt, they were probably looking to comfort your child.

Also, did you sign a form when he registered saying whether he was allergic to anything? If you'd put paracetamol on the list they wouldn't have given it.
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No, I didn't sign anything like that, I didn't tell them allergies since as far as I'm aware he doesn't have any. I'm also not against them giving him paracetamol although I prefer he has the syrup. I'm angry because they didn't inform me beforehand especially as I had told them I expect to be informed before they deem it necessary to give him drugs. If they'd have called me, I would have gone and picked him up. I find it shocking they believe they feel they can just give my kid drugs without asking me first. Makes me wonder what else they've given him and not bothered to tell me...
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Re: Is this normal? (creche & medicine)

Right before our child went to creche we were asked if they can administer meds (and what kind) without consulting us, in case they cannot reach us. The conditions were quite clear, I told them yes to fever reducing meds, no to homeopathy, yes to meds only if they cannot reach us and it shows on our cells that they called. It was all stated on a form, we signed it. It is very regulated here. If you haven't signed anything, explicitly told them no to meds, then I would be mad too. Now, if you said yes to painkiller or fever reducing meds, and they used suppository instead of a syrup, I understand you anger, but I think actually, it might have been more efficient (quicker). I would ask for a written report of the entire action, how high the fever was, what meds they used and why. Tell them you need it for your ped, deal with it yourself, do not use your hb as a messenger since things will drown in noise and you won't be happy. The best is to deal with them directly, call the director. The staff probably didn't mean it badly, might have been panicky or overwhelmed (often happens) and used to the same routine. Most local friends we have here woudlnt' move an eye lid at a situ like this, they would thank the staff, as opposed to getting miffed and questioning. That's the way we are used to dealing with our kids, but maybe not people here. It's not a big issue here. Our child hated suppositories, too, we didn't give her any. Syrups work well, too. Hope your kiddo recovers soon and you can explain to him why they used the buttock treatment.

Just saw your reply, to not be called and just administer meds is plain wrong. Make clear they know you are available for next similar scenario, most working parents probably do not pick up their kids if the child has fever, so the creche probably thought you weren't available. I would contact the director and sign the appropriate paperwork where you write everything down (that you can pick up your bub, what meds and under what conditions).
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No, I didn't sign anything like that, I didn't tell them allergies since as far as I'm aware he doesn't have any. I'm also not against them giving him paracetamol although I prefer he has the syrup. I'm angry because they didn't inform me beforehand especially as I had told them I expect to be informed before they deem it necessary to give him drugs. If they'd have called me, I would have gone and picked him up. I find it shocking they believe they feel they can just give my kid drugs without asking me first. Makes me wonder what else they've given him and not bothered to tell me...
Have a meeting with them and bring up the fact that there is no opportunity to show medical requirements (ours was just part of the registration process). My son is also not allergic to anything but we still had to fill in the form to actively let them know he's not going to go bonkers on orange juice or swell up if he sniffs a peanut, etc.

It was a whole song and dance when I asked them to administer some minor medicine which we got from the doctor. I had to fill in a form and label everything, even his spoon.

Sounds like there are a few gaps in the procedures at your child's nursery. My experience of nurseries here (3 in total) are pretty good, fortunately.
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Re: Is this normal? (creche & medicine)

As a grandmother of 8, I would be very annoyed if any one of my grandchildren was given a suppository without their parents having been advised.
If the creche had tried, but failed, to contact either parent, then I suppose it is perhaps an excuse if a child has a high fever.
On the other hand, in the UK, the schools my grandchildren attend tend to refuse to give any sort of medication, and parents are too frequently forced to leave work to pick up little-ones for really trivial health problems.
If there are, say, 4 children in the family of a working mother, this can really be a problem.

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Re: Is this normal? (creche & medicine)

You are Not over reacting i would go mad if this would have happenend to 1of my Kids. They should Never of Done this without your permission and to Top it off they did Not Know how high the tempreture was is ridiculous did your Child Need the tablet up his bottom? How is your Child now?
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Re: Is this normal? (creche & medicine)

Is this thread about giving children medicine in genera at creche or about giving them suppositories at creche?
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Re: Is this normal? (creche & medicine)

Giving medicine at crèche without parental approval. (Although suppository is not how I would choose to medicate my son, I understand that it's normal here and the reasons for it. It's just an added extra that annoys me.)

He's in bed asleep, tossing and turning, with a fever and moaning every now and again. Will be a long night I think.
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Giving medicine at crèche without parental approval. (Although suppository is not how I would choose to medicate my son, I understand that it's normal here and the reasons for it. It's just an added extra that annoys me.)

He's in bed asleep, tossing and turning, with a fever and moaning every now and again. Will be a long night I think.
Hope you get some sleep! And your son gets better soon.
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Re: Is this normal? (creche & medicine)

Giving medicine without approval is wrong. Now , opting for suppositaries is a culture difference. It's common in Germany or France. So that is not chocking for me. My kids attends the local system so accept how they work.
I have told them that my girls are not allergic to anything so if they give them something I trust their judgement.

Yesterday my older's teacher tried to call me twice . i did not respond but she treated my daughter against a tick's bite after she rang the doctor . I am grateful to her.She did the right thing.

Maybe your swiss husband should have taken the time to explain to you how things work here when a kid falls ill while in care.
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I'd be furious with the creche! Not only is it wrong and potentially dangerous to give a kid medicine without consent, it's culturally insensitive to assume it's ok to poke said medicine up the poor kids' ar*e!

Whilst suppositories may be common practice here, they're not in a lot of countries and if the situation ever arose, I'd most definitely want my daughters kindergarten to contact me or my wife a) to check that it's ok to give her something and b) to check which form of the medicine would be most appropriate... I don't imagine any 5yr old (or any aged kid for that matter!) would too kindly to being introduced to that particular new experience by her kindergarten teacher!
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I'd be furious with the creche! Not only is it wrong and potentially dangerous to give a kid medicine without consent, it's culturally insensitive to assume it's ok to poke said medicine up the poor kids' ar*e!

Whilst suppositories may be common practice here, they're not in a lot of countries and if the situation ever arose, I'd most definitely want my daughters kindergarten to contact me or my wife a) to check that it's ok to give her something and b) to check which form of the medicine would be most appropriate... I don't imagine any 5yr old (or any aged kid for that matter!) would too kindly to being introduced to that particular new experience by her kindergarten teacher!
Most 5 year olds don't get suppositories anymore. It's something they do more with babies.

Of course, medicine should never be given without parental consultation.
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Most 5 year olds don't get suppositories anymore. It's something they do more with babies.

Of course, medicine should never be given without parental consultation.
Phew! Although, when I asked in the chemist in January for some paracetemol for kids, I'd already got home by the time I realised that I'd been sold bum-bombs (luckily we had just enough calpol left to last until the next morning!)
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Re: Is this normal? (creche & medicine)

The original poster stated that the child is 18 months old, not 5 years. It may be a cultural difference, but suppositories are routinely prescribed for babies and toddlers here. Creches look after kids up to 4 years old generally, and probably would not have an alternative medicine. My child went to a state creche and I had a similar experience to musicchick - the only medicine they were authorized to give without phoning the parents first was paracetamol (due to the importance of lowering a child's temperature asap at that age) and I could have chosen to opt out of that also if I had wished to do so. In effect, the creche called me whenever he had a temperature and asked if I wanted him to be given a suppository - but they wanted to check it would be possible to do so if I or my husband could not be reached. I think most parents agreed with this. Have a chat with the creche but don't go in swinging. By the way, what's the problem with suppositories? They are one of the most effective and safe options for babies and toddlers.
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By the way, what's the problem with suppositories? They are one of the most effective and safe options for babies and toddlers.
As long as it's seen as something "dirty and sinister" it will never catch on outside of mainland Europe (except in hospitals where it is often used).

I, too, can see the advantages and am able to take a step back and see it simply as another way of medicating a baby or toddler.

I blame the media-hype for the sensationalism of a handful of cases of kids being abused in nurseries which gives weight to the sad and misguided equation:

Suppository = abuse.
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The original poster stated that the child is 18 months old, not 5 years.
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By the way, what's the problem with suppositories? They are one of the most effective and safe options for babies and toddlers.
I realise that the OP's kid is much younger, however, every time I've been to a chemist here to get medicine for my daughter they invariably suggest suppositories first. I didn't realise that it's apparently not so common for kindergarten-aged kids, so apologies if it was OTT to sugest a kindergarten may do the same thing.

Don't really know what I can say about "what's the problem with suppositories"? It's a cultural thing that's not generally offered in England and seems rather unnecessary, regardless of efficiency, effectiveness, etc, when there's syrups available.
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I realise that the OP's kid is much younger, however, every time I've been to a chemist here to get medicine for my daughter they invariably suggest suppositories first. I didn't realise that it's apparently not so common for kindergarten-aged kids, so apologies if it was OTT to sugest a kindergarten may do the same thing.

Don't really know what I can say about "what's the problem with suppositories"? It's a cultural thing that's not generally offered in England and seems rather unnecessary, regardless of efficiency, effectiveness, etc, when there's syrups available.
You cannot really rely on pharmacy here, unless you get to talk to the head of the shift that day, usually those are trained, educated pharmacists. Otherwise, majority of staff can be apprentice people (could be kids 16yr old, without any training whatsoever, just shop assistants), and I have had some interesting proposals by those ...
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Don't really know what I can say about "what's the problem with suppositories"? It's a cultural thing that's not generally offered in England and seems rather unnecessary, regardless of efficiency, effectiveness, etc, when there's syrups available.
There was a big report recently (and I think someone posted it on this forum) about parents being pretty clueless with dosing medication. Babies and toddlers can also dribble, spit out and sick up medicine then you don't know how much they've had (or not had).

My son's doctor explained that suppositories are always the correct dose, won't get sicked up or dribbled down the chin plus they are absorbed into the system a lot quicker than through the stomach. That kind of sold it for me.

I give my son syrup now because he's older and understands he has to stand still and take the medicine carefully. I wouldn't have liked to have tried it when he was a baby.
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Don't really know what I can say about "what's the problem with suppositories"? It's a cultural thing that's not generally offered in England and seems rather unnecessary, regardless of efficiency, effectiveness, etc, when there's syrups available.
I agree with you on this, our child never let us anywhere near her buttock, in terms of thermometers, suppositories, etc. For some babes and tots, it can be extremely unpleasant, painful even. She never had any trouble to take and swallow precisely measured dose of syrup, either. I am not sure why creches prefer butt treatment, might be something stuck in here from the past, not really taking account of the fact most babies find it unpleasant, as far as I know. I also import my syrups, since they taste a lot more palatable, be it paracetamol, ibuprofen or baby antibiotics. What we got here burnt in the mouth, don't know why. But it gets a lot easier when they are bigger, my child comes to me eveyr evening and asks for kids multivitamin (chewable pills), for B complex to swallow, for probiotic chewy pills, she likes her routine.
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