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31.05.2011, 17:41
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| | Re: Salad food poisoning in Europe | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | Yes, these dirty people...
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31.05.2011, 17:59
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| | Re: Salad food poisoning in Europe
That'll remove any germs lazily hanging around on the outside; research suggests that E Coli bacteria can be inside.
An old article (regarding spinach) http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...14-ecoli_x.htm | Quote: |  | | | Washing contaminated spinach won't get rid of the tenacious bug, though thorough cooking can kill it. | | | | | On this particular issue http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-13600144 | Quote: |  | | | a Scottish expert said new research suggests washing alone may not be enough, as the bacteria may be inside the food | | | | | | 
31.05.2011, 18:08
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| | Re: Salad food poisoning in Europe | Quote: | |  | | | I have read that this "special" bacteria is common in cows, sheep and goats, and that spreading raw sewage on the fields is also popular in all off Europe.
A few years ago there was a problem with melons in Mexico, the bacteria present in the raw sewage was taken up by the plant and was inside the edible flesh, thus making many people ill in many cities of the USA.
My big question is whether the Spanish cucumbers are safe when washed and peeled, or has the bacteria got inside the flesh? | | | | | I am scared of salads. i have few questions.
is this bacteria spreads only in spanish cucumber or any other fruits/vegetables?
is there any way to kill this bacteria by boiling vegetables at home? will this bacteria spreads to other fruits and vegetables.
Please give us some tips from plant specialist or doctors.
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31.05.2011, 18:10
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A confusing aspect with food poisoning is the bacteria itself are not entirely the problem. The strong hydrochloric acid in our stomach would kill most of them easily. The cause of the illness is the waste from the bacteria, the poisons left behind by the active bacteria are what kill you. So cooking already bad food may not make it safe again, as the chemical poisons will remain in the food.
In the olden days in the far east there was always a danger of cholera on fruit and vegetables. We were taught to soak all raw food for ten minutes in a mixture of baby botlle equipment sterilising fluid. I assume you can buy this sterilising liquid in Migros and Coop. It is actually a weak solution of hydrogen peroxide.
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31.05.2011, 18:13
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| | Re: Salad food poisoning in Europe
Safest is to stick to eating chocolate and cakes.
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31.05.2011, 19:51
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| | Re: Salad food poisoning in Europe | Quote: | |  | | | Mathnut doesn't post nor reply to Pms | | | | | You talk to your pms?
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31.05.2011, 19:57
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31.05.2011, 21:14
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| | Re: Salad food poisoning in Europe
Raw beef can also be contaminated by this bug at the butchering stage. So say goodbye to tartare, badly cooked burgers and rare/blue steaks, if you're really worried ( I just two steaks from Aligro, damn good!)
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31.05.2011, 22:33
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| | Re: Salad food poisoning in Europe
On this evenings Swiss TV news, they told us that this specific strain of the disease was not being transmitted through the Spanish cucumbers after all. So now they are back to square one.
Edit - Wednesday - italics phrase added after reading the paper this morning.
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31.05.2011, 22:38
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| | Re: Salad food poisoning in Europe
Spain will no doubt sue, or whatever fancy procedure the EU has, over the loss of income due to many countries cancelling orders of Spanish produce.
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01.06.2011, 09:15
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Spanish and Dutch growers are losing millions and want to sue the German government for their losses. Now the Germans are back pedalling and saying they don't think it is from the cucumbers after all.
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01.06.2011, 09:19
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So the best thing to do at the moment, I would imagine, is to wash everything thoroughly and make sure it's cooked through.
I've had salmonella once, through eating a suspect salad in France and that was bloody awful and left me with all sorts of nasty side effects for about 2 months afterwards.
Can't imagine what these poor people who are infected by E Coli are going through, must be terrifying.
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01.06.2011, 16:49
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| | Re: Salad food poisoning in Europe
Now it's back to the beef, contaminated by mishandling during slaughter, during the carving, during the handling and cooking in restaurant and then allowing cross contamination to raw salad ingredients... where it wont be killed off by cooking...
We never really know where are food has been and what has happened to it before we eat it.
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01.06.2011, 16:55
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| | Re: Salad food poisoning in Europe | Quote: | |  | | | Now it's back to the beef, contaminated by mishandling during slaughter, during the carving, during the handling and cooking in restaurant and then allowing cross contamination to raw salad ingredients... where it wont be killed off by cooking...
We never really know where are food has been and what has happened to it before we eat it. | | | | | A friend of mine is a chef, and in spite of what's said about backroom shenanigans on the Food Hygiene thread, he fires on the spot anyone who doesn't follow his protocol for avoiding cross contamination between meat (especially poultry) and other foods. He's a Yank. We're (yanks) all so hysterical.
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01.06.2011, 17:04
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Yes there are many places with strict standards, but it only takes one mistake or oversight to cause a disaster.
(I'm not American but very careful about contamination etc., but some people think I'm just being daft!)
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01.06.2011, 17:06
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| | Re: Salad food poisoning in Europe | Quote: |  | | | So the best thing to do at the moment, I would imagine, is to wash everything thoroughly and make sure it's cooked through.
I've had salmonella once, through eating a suspect salad in France and that was bloody awful and left me with all sorts of nasty side effects for about 2 months afterwards.
Can't imagine what these poor people who are infected by E Coli are going through, must be terrifying. | | | | | I've been really ill from eating salad in a restaurant - in Berkshire.
In fact, all the times I have had food poisoning have been through eating restaurant food.
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02.06.2011, 15:45
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I renamed the thread since according to CTK PRESS on the radio back home, the proof that it was the organic Spanish cucumbers that spread the infection was not found. Same source, apparently now it is 20 people who died now (mainly women). I am not alarmed since some people die of E-coli every year. It's the type of bacteria that makes me think, though, the discussion on this has been around for a while. News from WHO.
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02.06.2011, 15:54
| | Re: EHEC (E coli) infection | Quote: | |  | | | It's the type of bacteria that makes me think, though, the discussion on this has been around for a while. News from WHO. | | | | | Mutant strains are sometimes tough to manage though. | 
02.06.2011, 15:58
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| | Re: EHEC (E coli) infection | Quote: | |  | | | | | | | | What I have been told it's the time when the bacteria actually dies that it creates dangerous toxins. Blech. I feel very uncomfortable eating out.
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02.06.2011, 16:36
| | Re: Salad food poisoning in Europe | Quote: | |  | | | I've been really ill from eating salad in a restaurant - in Berkshire.
In fact, all the times I have had food poisoning have been through eating restaurant food. | | | | | Since I got sick in France I have only ever had food poisoning once in the 10 years since. I must have developed a stomach like a septic tank. | This user would like to thank for this useful post: | |
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