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Old 02.06.2011, 17:28
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

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I've been really ill from eating salad in a restaurant - in Berkshire.

In fact, all the times I have had food poisoning have been through eating restaurant food.
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Since I got sick in France I have only ever had food poisoning once in the 10 years since. I must have developed a stomach like a septic tank.
I've had food poisoning from pre-washed and prepared salad as well. We don't have it in our home any more.

Everyone complains about fruit and veg going off in Switzerland but I actually find it disconcerting in other countries to have such food that doesn't go off.

If something's mouldly, that's a good indication that you need to throw it away.
If I had a pre-washed and prepared salad in the fridge and it hadn't gone off after a couple of weeks then I would be more worried.
It's generally the bacteria that you can't see or smell that makes you ill (otherwise none of us would ever be ill as food that looks and smells rotten is something we just won't eat).
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Old 02.06.2011, 18:37
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This is just further proof of why you should NEVER eat salads.. you have no idea where that stuff has been !!



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Old 03.06.2011, 09:30
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

Hugh Pennington's related article (that burger ad is ironic).
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Old 03.06.2011, 20:13
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

Oops I was in Berlin when this thing broke out, I did not have any uncooked vegetables in Germany...I have been away from computers and TV so really do not know what is going on any news guys??
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Old 03.06.2011, 20:15
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

News of today says CH has recorded the 3rd case thusfar.

Swissinfo EN

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The Federal Health Office has reported a third case in Switzerland of the potentially deadly E.coli infection that has been affecting European countries.

It said on Friday that like the two previous cases, the bacterium had been contracted during a stay in Germany, the country with the most cases so far. All three patients are reported to be stable.
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Old 06.06.2011, 10:30
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

It now appears that a German beansprout farm is the most likely source.

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Old 06.06.2011, 10:59
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It now appears that a German beansprout farm is the most likely source.


Indeed... (.............)

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...The BBC's Stephen Evans in Berlin says the latest news may cause embarrassment to German authorities, who had earlier pointed to Spanish farms as the source of the outbreak.
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Old 06.06.2011, 11:15
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

Well, I am not sure if embarrassment solely, since there are talks of compensation. Spain lost so much cash over the past few weeks, it is incredible.
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Old 06.06.2011, 11:19
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Well, I am not sure if embarrassment solely, since there are talks of compensation. Spain lost so much cash over the past few weeks, it is incredible.
Oh yes. I can imagine the Spanish authorities going for some recompense, esp. because of the whole German-Spain efficient/lazy, productive/slackers etc. cultural references...
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Old 06.06.2011, 11:30
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

Seems sprouts are to blame, and they are German...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...y-bean-sprouts
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Old 06.06.2011, 16:10
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It now appears that a German beansprout farm is the most likely source.

Damn! Just realised what rhymes with "Sprout". Wish I'd thought of it earlier.
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Old 06.06.2011, 16:26
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

Beansprouts are edible again!

Beansprouts from a German organic farm were not the cause of the country's deadly E. coli outbreak, agriculture experts have said.
Lower-Saxony state's agriculture ministry said that 23 of 40 samples from the sprout farm suspected of being behind the outbreak have tested negative for the relevant bacteria.
It said further tests were pending.
The E. coli outbreak in Germany has killed at least 22 people and made more than 2,300 ill across Europe, leaving people uneasy about eating raw vegetables.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/beansprouts...023003073.html
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Old 06.06.2011, 16:28
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

My daughter developed hemolytic-uremic syndrome and kidney failure at the age of 2 when we were living in Germany several years ago. She had a very severe case and it could have been fatal. Lots of horrible things happened - vomiting blood, emergency surgery with her screaming and us outside the door, hospitalisation in a different city to our house etc.

The authorities were never able to establish what had caused it, although they looked into it extensively. Their best guess was some kind of meat. (Salads were certainly not in her diet then - or now!)

She is now no more likely to get an infection/HUS, but if she does, it could be more severe. The doctor told her "no more McDonald's [burgers] for you", which we didn't mind, because we hate the stuff and have a good excuse not to take her. We don't let her eat salami or any form of burger either now... meat where the outside of the animal gets mixed up with the inside of it.

As far as I know, washing hands etc. is just to prevent further contamination from contact with the infected person. When she was sick, she had her own room, everyone had to disinfect going in and out of the room etc. It's one way to get a private ward I suppose...

So, washing your hands and just eating meat won't save you, sorry.
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Old 06.06.2011, 16:37
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My daughter developed hemolytic-uremic syndrome and kidney failure at the age of 2 when we were living in Germany several years ago. She had a very severe case and it could have been fatal. Lots of horrible things happened - vomiting blood, emergency surgery with her screaming and us outside the door, hospitalisation in a different city to our house etc.

The authorities were never able to establish what had caused it, although they looked into it extensively. Their best guess was some kind of meat. (Salads were certainly not in her diet then - or now!)

She is now no more likely to get an infection/HUS, but if she does, it could be more severe. The doctor told her "no more McDonald's [burgers] for you", which we didn't mind, because we hate the stuff and have a good excuse not to take her. We don't let her eat salami or any form of burger either now... meat where the outside of the animal gets mixed up with the inside of it.

As far as I know, washing hands etc. is just to prevent further contamination from contact with the infected person. When she was sick, she had her own room, everyone had to disinfect going in and out of the room etc. It's one way to get a private ward I suppose...

So, washing your hands and just eating meat won't save you, sorry.
Sorry you child and the entire family had to go through this, it sounds like a total hell. My biggest nightmare. I always had an aversion to uncooked meat, raw eggs, unpasteurized dairy, exactly for these reasons, but cannot imagine what it is for a wee kiddo like this and her parents.

Good to hear she recovered, HUS is terrible.
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Old 10.06.2011, 11:34
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

GERMANY HAS CONFIRMED IT IS THE SPROUTS !

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/0...ller-bacteria/

So basically they are saying that even though the tests have not come back positive yet (might have been just one bad batch that is all gone), that enough people who got sick had eaten sprouts that came from this farm. Good detective work.

Now I can go back to eating my salad (minus the sprouts).
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Old 10.06.2011, 11:40
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

bit ironic the bloke is called Burger



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GERMANY HAS CONFIRMED IT IS THE SPROUTS !

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2011/0...ller-bacteria/

So basically they are saying that even though the tests have not come back positive yet (might have been just one bad batch that is all gone), that enough people who got sick had eaten sprouts that came from this farm. Good detective work.

Now I can go back to eating my salad (minus the sprouts).
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

From today's NY Times, E. Coli Fallout: My Salad, My Health:
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“For safety we really depend on what happens out in the field, but by and large produce is very very safe,” said Gad Frankel, professor of molecular pathogenesis at Imperial College London. “The chance of getting infected from lettuce is very low — probably about the same as winning the lottery.”

But, he added: “Some people do win the lottery and some people get sick.”
The whole article is well worth reading ... the Times is the only online publication I subscribe to (pay) for a very good reason.
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Re: EHEC (E coli) outbreak

Germany confirms human E. coli transmission
Female kitchen worker passes on strain to 20 people she prepared food for, after eating E. coli infected sprouts.



Link:http://english.aljazeera.net/news/eu...630620984.html
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