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Kinder Krippe Law Clarity

Hello all,

Just wanted some views on our situation with our kinder krippe.

We are expecting our first child any day now, we have organised everything. We were luckly enough to be given 4 days of full time care in our local Kinder Krippe in Mannedorf. We were originally on thier waiting list until thier final offer was set. I am not married to my girlfriend by we do live together, so when my girlfriend approched the nursery in February about the baby going there they siad she was a single mother and that they just required some documents from her. The contract was sent out the end of April and we thought it would be nice to go over to the nursery to sign the contract and have a look round as my girlfriend had already been there a few times. We were given the grand tour and had a short meeting with the manager. Last week the managing director emailed my girlfriend and said she wanted proof of my salary because I am the father and now they want to charge us an extra 1400CHF a month because of this. My girlfriend was not forthcoming by this and call the MD and asked to explain herself. The MD said she will contact us again this week.

I want to know how do they make thier mind up from changing tariffs because if we are not married that makes her a single mother. From thier own rules about thier nursery it doesn't state what is classed as married or single parents, plus now why is the MD contacting us when everything was done with the manager before and after the contracts are signed. Where do we go now, to lawyer or we talk to them again. As you may know there is fines to be had with cancelation, lucky we are out of the two months before the starting date for this.

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Old 30.05.2011, 00:22
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Re: Kinder Krippe Law Clarity

You are probably getting a subsidized spot and for those the fee is based on your income.
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Old 30.05.2011, 00:25
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Re: Kinder Krippe Law Clarity

Agree with Tilia. You are unmarried but you are working and supporting and living with your child so that doesn't make you as a couple any different to a married couple financially, so therefore doesn't give you any rights for a discount
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There is a big difference between a 'single' mother and an 'unmarried' parent. It sounds like someone was trying to do her a favour and the manager realised that there has been a mistake. She is not 'technically' a single mother - if you are the father of the child and financially support your family.

I'm quite sure there will be a tax implication and some sort of regulations where you have to say whether you have the financial support of the father of the child, and criteria to qualify for the discount.

I'd expect that she had to fill a form where she declared the 'family' income. And if she didn't include your income on there, then that's probably a false declaration...

She may have also been 'prioritised' for a childcare place based on the assumption that she is a 'single' mother and therefore the sole provider for your child, so I'd be careful not to raise too much of a problem and risk being told that the place will be withdrawn and given to someone who fits their 'priority' places...
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There is a big difference between a 'single' mother and an 'unmarried' parent. It sounds like someone was trying to do her a favour and the manager realised that there has been a mistake. She is not 'technically' a single mother - if you are the father of the child and financially support your family.

I'm quite sure there will be a tax implication and some sort of regulations where you have to say whether you have the financial support of the father of the child, and criteria to qualify for the discount.

I'd expect that she had to fill a form where she declared the 'family' income. And if she didn't include your income on there, then that's probably a false declaration...

She may have also been 'prioritised' for a childcare place based on the assumption that she is a 'single' mother and therefore the sole provider for your child, so I'd be careful not to raise too much of a problem and risk being told that the place will be withdrawn and given to someone who fits their 'priority' places...
i agree with the 3 posts above.

There are no grounds to feel angry. It is simply a misunderstanding based on the level of income.

If truly a single mother where the father is unknown, has run away, or does not provide financial support (and has no income or assets which the authorities can access), then the income is based solely on the single mother.

If an unmarried mother but the father has 'recognised' (anerkennung) the child before birth in the official way via the town hall, then the income is based on both the mother and the father (even though not married).

This probably makes sense because your joint income is usually higher than a single mother.
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Re: Kinder Krippe Law Clarity

Thank you all for your replies, It was just a shock to us, just that we are trying to budget ourselves and now we might have an additional 1400 chf to pay on top, no we are looking at differnent maybe more affordable options like a tagsmutter, for us its a lot of money and on the otherside we just want the best for our baby.
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Thank you all for your replies, It was just a shock to us, just that we are trying to budget ourselves and now we might have an additional 1400 chf to pay on top, no we are looking at differnent maybe more affordable options like a tagsmutter, for us its a lot of money and on the otherside we just want the best for our baby.
For budgeting, 4 days/weeks krippe in Zurich are usually 1800-2300 chf/month in Zurich city, depending on which onem

When we had done the calculation, depending on your income, a tagesmutter was not that much cheaper especially if you consider the flexible krippe hours etc.

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For budgeting, 4 days/weeks krippe in Zurich are usually 1800-2300 chf/month in Zurich city, depending on which onem

When we had done the calculation, depending on your income, a tagesmutter was not that much cheaper especially if you consider the flexible krippe hours etc.

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I found that too, the tagesmutters were same price and sometimes a bit more than krippe and of course there is more key person risk when your tagesmutter is sick or away. Depends on the krippe of course but its a lot of money whichever way you look at it so i reckon finding an environment the baby is well cared for in and works for you is worth more than what will at best be a small saving.
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i agree with the 3 posts above.

There are no grounds to feel angry. It is simply a misunderstanding based on the level of income.

If truly a single mother where the father is unknown, has run away, or does not provide financial support (and has no income or assets which the authorities can access), then the income is based solely on the single mother.

If an unmarried mother but the father has 'recognised' (anerkennung) the child before birth in the official way via the town hall, then the income is based on both the mother and the father (even though not married).

This probably makes sense because your joint income is usually higher than a single mother.

Just to clarify, this only applies if you live together. If you live alone with your child then you still get support even if the father does pay alimony.
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